Originally Posted By: Mainia
Originally Posted By: Danh
Originally Posted By: PWMDMD
Mania - I agree. The only oil-based argument I could ever see a dealship making is there was very little/none in the engine or it was so far past it’s OCI that there was black sludge at the time of they examined it.
This idea that an engine with what appears to be a normal volume of servicable oil in it that happens to have some failure will lead to a dealership interrogation of which viscosity was used or was it SN+ certified is silly IMO. They simply have no way of telling and either one of those as a cause of failure has such an astronomically low probability of being the cause compared to material defect that I just don’t see it ever being an issue.
Last I’ll say on this subject is that a dealership doesn’t have to “interrogate” the oil’s viscosity, it is visible on any and all receipts supporting oil changes. But again, if you’re comfortable with the exposure, go for it.
I had arguments with "you" attorneys. So worried that "law" will be used when the MMWA clearly protects the user in so so many cases. I have a relative who I just talked to last night who has worked at the largest Audi dealer in Minnesota. In 10 years he has worked there they NEVER have pulled a oil sample or questioned oil in an Audi motor that blow up. Again they FIRST thing they check, is it car oil, not ATF or not gear oil. If it looks like car oil it gets warrantied no questions asked, and they never pull oil samples.
Also I checked out my 2018 Hyundai Kona 1.6T and it is speced for 5w-30 and in their writings in the owners manual they wrote 5w-40is ok if 5w-30 is not available. MEANING full approval on 5w-40 to use, as it logically should. Most high perf car from Europe and some from the USA use it because it is better for high perf use case even without a turbo. The Honda 1.5 T is high perf. I bet if we look at the owners manual we would see the words if no 5-20 can be optained 5w-30 can be used and again that means FULL approval for use. Still it is a moot point since they will never reject because of 5-30 use in a 5-20 car. That is PURE FUD FUD FUD FUD.
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Not a lawyer, but thanks!
But to your point, the Honda 1.5T is spec’d for 0w-20. And there are no, none, zilch, nada viscosity alternatives listed in the owner’s manual.
I’m not saying a warranty problem is likely, just that is is possible. And let’s no forget Audi is a premium brand, Honda isn’t. Have you actually dealt with American Honda? Not a pleasant experince.
Originally Posted By: Danh
Originally Posted By: PWMDMD
Mania - I agree. The only oil-based argument I could ever see a dealship making is there was very little/none in the engine or it was so far past it’s OCI that there was black sludge at the time of they examined it.
This idea that an engine with what appears to be a normal volume of servicable oil in it that happens to have some failure will lead to a dealership interrogation of which viscosity was used or was it SN+ certified is silly IMO. They simply have no way of telling and either one of those as a cause of failure has such an astronomically low probability of being the cause compared to material defect that I just don’t see it ever being an issue.
Last I’ll say on this subject is that a dealership doesn’t have to “interrogate” the oil’s viscosity, it is visible on any and all receipts supporting oil changes. But again, if you’re comfortable with the exposure, go for it.
I had arguments with "you" attorneys. So worried that "law" will be used when the MMWA clearly protects the user in so so many cases. I have a relative who I just talked to last night who has worked at the largest Audi dealer in Minnesota. In 10 years he has worked there they NEVER have pulled a oil sample or questioned oil in an Audi motor that blow up. Again they FIRST thing they check, is it car oil, not ATF or not gear oil. If it looks like car oil it gets warrantied no questions asked, and they never pull oil samples.
Also I checked out my 2018 Hyundai Kona 1.6T and it is speced for 5w-30 and in their writings in the owners manual they wrote 5w-40is ok if 5w-30 is not available. MEANING full approval on 5w-40 to use, as it logically should. Most high perf car from Europe and some from the USA use it because it is better for high perf use case even without a turbo. The Honda 1.5 T is high perf. I bet if we look at the owners manual we would see the words if no 5-20 can be optained 5w-30 can be used and again that means FULL approval for use. Still it is a moot point since they will never reject because of 5-30 use in a 5-20 car. That is PURE FUD FUD FUD FUD.
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Not a lawyer, but thanks!
But to your point, the Honda 1.5T is spec’d for 0w-20. And there are no, none, zilch, nada viscosity alternatives listed in the owner’s manual.
I’m not saying a warranty problem is likely, just that is is possible. And let’s no forget Audi is a premium brand, Honda isn’t. Have you actually dealt with American Honda? Not a pleasant experince.
