-45C is on its way

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Just checked the long range weather forcast for northern Alberta and it is forecast to be -45 degrees by mid next week. This will be an excellent test of the GC's cranking ability in the 1.8T. Also got some mobil 1 5w30 in the Chev van. BTW, I think I'll idle the engine for a couple of minutes before driving off when its that cold. Talk to all-ya south-n-ers mid next week......
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Man, that is cold. If I had to run a car or truck in that kind of cold, I would definitely have some kind of synthetic in the engine, such as Mobil 1.

The coldest it has every been in Pueblo, Colorado in recorded history is -34. The coldest temperature I have every personally experienced is -28 (without wind chill factoring in). Temperatures that low are rare where I live, but in the mountains it gets cold. On the other hand, it reached something like 112-119 degrees last summer. I was not there at the time-I was in Arizona where for sure it was something like 119 degrees.
 
Well since you're from "the garage" I hope you're parking your vehicles in it so at least they'll be a little bit warmer!
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No matter what kind of oil you're running, I hope you've got a block heater for that type of cold! We're lucky here in Toronto that we don't get colder than -25C ever (not that I can recall in my 34 years we haven't)
 
I hope the T-belt in your 1.8T is in top shape! I bet rubber tends to get brittle at those insane temps. And yes, in that case I'd idle the engine for a couple minutes before crawling off. Brrrrr!
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I remember my days in upper Minnesota where with wind chill it use to reach -30 to -40F in a consistant basis. We didn't have a garage and I had a cardboard cut to fit in front of my radiator and a block heater plus a remote starter to start the car and let it warm up. The kids were little so I had to warm that thing good before traveling with them. The oil was M1 5w30. Memories...

Pedro

[ January 24, 2004, 10:11 AM: Message edited by: pruizgarcia ]
 
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Originally posted by pruizgarcia:
I remember my days in upper Minnesota where with wind chill it use to reach -30 to -40F in a consistant basis. We didn't have a garage and I had a cardboard cut to fit in front of my radiator and a block heater plus a remote starter to start the car and let it warm up. The kids were little so I had to warm that thing good before traveling with them. The oil was M1 5w30. Memories...

Pedro


Could that have any bearing as to why you now reside in Florida
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Originally posted by Randy:
That temperature is in the "magical" area of the Metric system where it actually begins to make sense to Americans.

-45C is -49F

What would be "cool" would be some major wind, say 20 MPH that would drive the actual temp down to -86F

Wonder how my Delo 400 Synthetic 0W30 would do?


"Cool" haha. Actually, Canada switched to Metric about the same time my brain refused to learn new government-sponsered conspiracies, so I think in degrees F and MPH and MPG and lbs.

To further confuse the issue, I like to think in miles per American gallon and most Canadians still lovingly cling to miles per Imperial gallon.

Oi!

Actually, windchill only affects animals like us, temp loss in homes, and block heaters. The oil doesn't care if there is a windchill or not.

Your car will notice especially if you don't run a winter front to cover the grille. The thermostat will be closed and run in bypass, and the motor will STILL run too cold.

I've seen folks who refuse to believe in proper cooling system maintenance (It costs too much!) or in winter fronts have the following humourous event happen to them: the radiator freezes but the motor overheats.

HAHA!

Jerry
 
Anybody who watches The Weather Network on Starchoice or cable must shudder just thinking about it. Especially folks in Vancouver BC who rarely dip below -4 C.

That's why it's so easy for somebody who lives in a "moderate" climate to get very long motor life even using a "low bidder" 49 cent a quart cheap oil.

A regular 5w30 is useless colder than about -30 F. I have personally witnessed cars getting a boost at -40 F only to shear the oil pump drive.

I have also witnessed large commercial chemical tanker trucks from places like Florida and Alabama stuck up here when a blizzard has closed the road.

They check into a motel and in the morning discover their 15w40 is frozen hard as a brick so the diesel won't even crank, the straight 50 in the RoadRanger won't even let them move the shifter, and the wheels won't even turn.

Fortunately, there are a few heated truck shops here so the entire rig can be towed in and thawed out. The dumba** ones are those who refuse to pay for a tow bill (It costs too much!!) and keep spraying ether and boosting until it DOES start: ka-BOOM.

Darwin is proven right when folks around here p*** and moan their car croaks cuz some part snapped off at -40 F. Of course, it "costs too much!" to run synthetics.

Maybe if I lived in a moderate climate I'd never worry about synthetics. The only reason I first switched to synthetics 22 years ago was their cold temp performance.

I didn't care about extending oil drains, or supposed MPG gains, or cleaner engines. Those were the bonus features. I just wanted things to start and run without puking a conrod at -40 F.

So I run Mobil MobilLube SHC 75W-90 (Borderline at -54 F), Mobil MobilTrans SHC 50 (Bordeline at -51 F), Delvac 1 5W-40 (Borderline at -45 F)in the commercial trucks.

Plug-ins help to get started, but unless you run pan heaters too, don't help cold flow too much. Unless you use a Tiger Torch to heat up the axles, they don't have heaters at all: please don't use a tiger torch, you can crack the housing.

The commercial trucks run automatic rad shutters and air-engage fans, so when the fans aren't needed, they freewheel. This really helps shorten the warm-up time, and more importantly ensure they maintain temp.

My personal equipment also runs synthetics: SHC 75W-90 front axle, Mobil 1 Gear Oil rear axle (Need the LS additives), Mobil 1 0w30 in motor, and Mobil 1 ATF in the trans. Most ATF's are only good to -35 F.

I've seen folks who somehow have managed to start their beast at -40 F, only to discover when they shove the selector into Drive that nothing happens. Then they floor the gas pedal, somehow thinking that must "help."

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That temperature is in the "magical" area of the Metric system where it actually begins to make sense to Americans.

-45C is -49F

What would be "cool" would be some major wind, say 20 MPH that would drive the actual temp down to -86F

Wonder how my Delo 400 Synthetic 0W30 would do?
 
I live in northern MN and feel starting cold engines below zero F is not good for engines.I like engine heaters and oil made for cold.

I like 0W30s. In Canada you can buy 0W30 blends like Pennz Long Life and Canadian Tire. Regular Pennz 5W 30 is good if you can't find the above. And real synthetics like German Castrol and Mobil 1 0W30 are great.

When it hits -45 try pouring one brand and compare to another. The pour will tell you lots on what is best for the money.
 
Moorhead? Cripes you've been cold too. At least you have an easy time finding a good 0w30 oil.

Here in Canada if you're too far away from the American border, about the best bet is Esso XD-3 0W-30. THis is a blend but almost as good as a "real" 0W-30.
 
I'm curious, when it's that cold what do you guys use for windshield washer fluid? The stuff I use here is good to -45C, but I've never seen anything sold which claims to go any lower than this.
 
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Originally posted by Patman:
I'm curious, when it's that cold what do you guys use for windshield washer fluid? The stuff I use here is good to -45C, but I've never seen anything sold which claims to go any lower than this.

Yeah, the coldest-rated I've ever seen is that Canadian Tire stuff good to -45 C. Not too sure what you can do below that. Straight methanol? Nah, that would instantly dissolve the plastic tank, lines, and even the wiper blades ...

Even using the Canadian Tire -45 C stuff, it doesn't work below -35 C unless the motor is fully warmed up and the defrost is on Max. Otherwise it freezes in streaks.

That's another reason why I use a winter front: the engine compartment stays warmer so the washer tank picks up that heat and your washer system works much better.

Howcome MB, BMW, and VW-Porsche-Audi have this figured out and we don't?? Most of their cars use heated washer systems or at least heated washer nozzles.

Jerry
 
I don't understand that either. My boss has a 1997 Jaguar XJ6 which uses a heater in it's windshield washer system somehow (exactly where or how I'm not sure) so if they were doing stuff like this back then, why didn't more car makers adopt this idea?
 
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Originally posted by Patman:
I don't understand that either. My boss has a 1997 Jaguar XJ6 which uses a heater in it's windshield washer system somehow (exactly where or how I'm not sure) so if they were doing stuff like this back then, why didn't more car makers adopt this idea?

I suppose it has to do with "lowest common denominator?" But the VW Golf has this system, I think it's electrically heated.

I've seen kits that plumb coolant from the heater hoses through a heat exchanger to keep the washer fluid hot. Seems to be a lot of effort, don't you think?

Heads up, Patman. According to The Weather Network, Mississauga is supposed to be getting another Alberta Clipper in about two days. That combined with the Lake Effect should give your washer system a good workout!

Jerry
 
Although, where I live doesn't get quite as cold as where Jerry lives, we do see temps at least down to -35C. I never find the windshield washer fluid is a problem at these really cold temperatures as the roads around here are so dry that I never really need to use it. Then again, I have never really had a problem with windshield washer fluid freezing when I need it either.

I also run a winter front on my car for the winter months. Although, I had to have a custom made unit since the aftermarket only really makes them for trucks and vans.
 
The worst windshield freeze was following a train of logging trucks at -40 C. Though the road was dry, they were kicking up snow and I had to keep using the wipers and washer. That got old fast.

I remember the "good 'ole days" when you could easily find winter fronts to fit almost anything. Good luck now.

That's why I save all my large cardboard boxes, they're good for something: instant winter front. And it's SO classy when folks see you coming with a "Esso" or "Canadian Club" logo on your winter front.

Jerry
 
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Heads up, Patman. According to The Weather Network, Mississauga is supposed to be getting another Alberta Clipper in about two days. That combined with the Lake Effect should give your washer system a good workout!

We're getting the beginning of it right now!
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Supposed to get 10-15cm between now and tomorrow night, plus more on the way for Tuesday. Did I ever mention how much I hate winter?
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