They are both the same grade. One is not "heavier" than the other.5w20 is heavier than 0w20 which is what is in the owners manual
They are both the same grade. One is not "heavier" than the other.5w20 is heavier than 0w20 which is what is in the owners manual
on the designed for that many miles. Member CarbonSteel pushed MS5K way farther than anyone ever would in a F-150I certainly don’t claim to be a lubrication expert but, if it were mine I wouldn’t be happy. Iron and lead are too high for my liking especially, with that amount of makeup oil. Your iron is at 4.18 ppm/1k miles. I don’t like to see more than 2 ppm/1k but, that’s just me. I don’t think that Mobil Super is designed for that long of an OCI.
I would love to get your feedback sir, so thank you for keeping this thread alive.Stick to the OPs UOA.
This generation of the CRV with the 2.4L was very prone to timing chain wear, far worse than the older K24’s….despite using the same timing parts. Not sure why.Disagree
on the designed for that many miles. Member CarbonSteel pushed MS5K way farther than anyone ever would in a F-150
OP: decent report, thank you for sharing
The comments about high oil usage is quite odd to me. 2 quarts over 12,600 miles is fantastic IMO! This auto is getting close to 90k on it.
BecauseA quart of oil gone in 6,000 miles isn’t good. I don’t know why you think that’s acceptable.
Most people on this forum check their oil and replenish as needed. The cost of fixing probably is more than most are willing to pay when they can just top it off for the rest of its life.most manufacturers don’t consider it a problem unless you’re burning a quart every 1,000 mile
The way you put that implies the only solution is to spend hundreds, if not thousands to make the engine "good". Most people just won't do that unless they care deeply about their car or they just don't know any better and do whatever the mechanic says regardless of cost.even a quart every 6k points to a bad engine, IMO.
The comments about high oil usage is quite odd to me. 2 quarts over 12,600 miles is fantastic IMO! This auto is getting close to 90k on it.
My 07 accord with a 2.4 had 386000 on it with original timing chain and no issues..This generation of the CRV with the 2.4L was very prone to timing chain wear, far worse than the older K24’s….despite using the same timing parts. Not sure why.
The only notable change was the switch to 0W20…
Out of curiosity, are you sticking with a 20 grade?My 07 accord with a 2.4 had 386000 on it with original timing chain and no issues..
One quart within a typical OCI is more than acceptable. OP just happened to run 12k miles, twice what a typical OCI would be, because that's what's convenient for them.A quart of oil gone in 6,000 miles isn’t good. I don’t know why you think that’s acceptable.
You can't confidently say that without multiple UOA at different intervals on this same vehicle to set a baseline. It's been proven on over and over that a standalone UOA can not be used as a way to measure engine wear. You need to set a baseline and trends for the wear metals.The OP diluted his engine wear by two quarts of oil. The actual engine wear is far worse then the Lab report shows.
I tend to agree on yoru point that many never check their oil ("You can do that?" - 18 y.o. neighbor) and run them until a change or a light comes on. So anythign taht consumes a quart over a normal interval while not a real issue, is an issue in that way. This engine may go "forever" at that consumption rate. I'd wager some engine flushing and additives would likely improve the situation.A quart of oil gone in 6,000 miles isn’t good. I don’t know why you think that’s acceptable.
Sure some sports cars can burn a quart in 3,000 miles and most manufacturers don’t consider it a problem unless you’re burning a quart every 1,000 miles but even a quart every 6k points to a bad engine, IMO.
If the OP sells this car to your average Jane and she runs it AS IS until the maintenance reminder pops up @ 5% oil life, suggesting an oil change, this engine would come in with a DRY DIPSTICK and my shop would instantly raise a RED FLAG and inform the owner of a PROBLEM.
70% of cars that come into my shop are borderline low on oil after the typical 5-7k miles. The remaining have dry dipsticks because it’s down a quart OR MORE. nobody checks or adds oil. It’s a problem.
The OP diluted his engine wear by two quarts of oil. The actual engine wear is far worse then the Lab report shows.
This opinion of mine is what comes down to reasonable-ness. 6k & 1qt is reasonable. While none of us wish we had any oil consumption it's the nature of the beast of imperfect automobiles. A gradual burning of oil over the life of a vehicle is safe to assume.A quart of oil gone in 6,000 miles isn’t good. I don’t know why you think that’s acceptable.
Sure some sports cars can burn a quart in 3,000 miles and most manufacturers don’t consider it a problem unless you’re burning a quart every 1,000 miles but even a quart every 6k points to a bad engine, IMO.
If the OP sells this car to your average Jane and she runs it AS IS until the maintenance reminder pops up @ 5% oil life, suggesting an oil change, this engine would come in with a DRY DIPSTICK and my shop would instantly raise a RED FLAG and inform the owner of a PROBLEM.
70% of cars that come into my shop are borderline low on oil after the typical 5-7k miles. The remaining have dry dipsticks because it’s down a quart OR MORE. nobody checks or adds oil. It’s a problem.
The OP diluted his engine wear by two quarts of oil. The actual engine wear is far worse then the Lab report shows.
A quart of oil gone in 6,000 miles points to a bad engine.
The way you put that implies the only solution is to spend hundreds, if not thousands to make the engine "good". Most people just won't do that unless they care deeply about their car or they just don't know any better and do whatever the mechanic says regardless of cost.
The OP diluted his engine wear by two quarts of oil. The actual engine wear is far worse then the Lab report shows.
You can't confidently say that without multiple UOA at different intervals on this same vehicle to set a baseline. It's been proven on over and over that a standalone UOA can not be used as a way to measure engine wear. You need to set a baseline and trends for the wear metals.
Vehicles burn oil whether the owners or technicians who work on them notice or not. Take your PCV hose off and it's there's any residue in there, which there will be, your vehicle burns oil. And that's just one example of a way oil gets burned off.A good engine should not burn oil. Period.
Your humble opinion is wrong. Not only is a quart every 6k miles far from "every time you're pumping gas", but it's almost like you're advocating for no one to check their oil level period, which is a dangerous narrative. There's a certain level of responsibility that goes along with owning a vehicle, including basic inspection and maintenance.In my humble opinion… your average daily grocery getter shouldn’t need to have its hood opened and oil added every time you’re pumping gas. That’s absurd.
You've completely missed the point. No one is claiming oil doesn't get diluted when you top off. The issue is you have no idea why the engine is burning oil or if it's been that way since it's been driven off the lot, same story with the wear metals. You can't go off a single UOA and say the engine is bad, worn, or has a defect. You just don't have enough information to make assumptions about the engine. I'll repeat myself and say it's been proven over and over that standalone UOAs are not to be used as evidence of engine wear.I can… if 4 Liters of oil contains 100ppm of fairy dust and you add 2 more Liters and take a sample, you’re going to get different results. You’ve just diluted the oil BY HALF!!!!
If the OP magically manages to keep all 4 Liters of oil inside his engine for the duration of 12k miles and sample THAT…. I’m willing to bet my entire stash of oil that the Lab Results will be SCARY.
First off... This is NOT the case with OP Honda. OP has oil on the dipstick every 5k period & never ran "Dry". They are most likely at the Min fill line at 6k. That is not a dry dipstick at the point & is at a safe level.I service hundreds of cars each month. Far too many come in with a dry dipstick in only 5,000 miles and not even 100k miles on the clock.
In my humble opinion… your average daily grocery getter shouldn’t need to have its hood opened and oil added every time you’re pumping gas. That’s absurd.
First off... This is NOT the case with OP Honda. OP has oil on the dipstick every 5k period & never ran "Dry". They are most likely at the Min fill line at 6k. That is not a dry dipstick at the point & is at a safe level.
You stating right there that essentially, far too many, meaning quite a lot or most even. Then it's safe to assume it's reasonable to expect oil burning. You say it right in that statement. Oil burns in many vehicles as you say so it's reasonable to have to add oil & even 1qt/6k being in that category... "reasonable".
Shouldn't and Reality are 2 different things. We agree that cars "Shouldn't" in a perfect world but that is not reality.
All the evidence right in front of you of many cases of burning oil & you say it should never happen, engines toast, is not reality or reasonable.
Yeah.. more advocation for not checking oil level. Not really sure if I like where this thread is going.I think you misunderstood.
If out of 100 vehicles, 10-15 have dry dipsticks because they burned MORE THEN a quart between service and requires the owners to take action, that’s a problem. Your average Joe doesn’t check or add oil. You shouldn’t NEED TOO if the engine is healthy. Period.
I get the feeling that you’ve never owned a vehicle where the oil level stays perfectly full, even as the car ages past 10 years old and 100k+ miles and you end up forgetting where the hood latch is, because you never NEED TOO open the hood to check anything. It’s all PERFECT.