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#2460962 - 12/12/11 10:58 PM Valvoline vs. Pennzoil Conventional (PYB)
johnsmellsalot Offline


Registered: 07/02/11
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Loc: Texas
I'm wondering which oil returns better used oil analyses.
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#2460964 - 12/12/11 10:59 PM Re: Valvoline vs. Pennzoil Conventional (PYB) [Re: johnsmellsalot]
OVERKILL Offline


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Originally Posted By: johnsmellsalot
I'm wondering which oil returns better used oil analyses.


You can't compare UOA's on different oils.

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#2460967 - 12/12/11 11:03 PM Re: Valvoline vs. Pennzoil Conventional (PYB) [Re: johnsmellsalot]
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Registered: 07/02/07
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Check out a VOA of both side by side here:

http://www.pqiamerica.com/testresultssep2011.html

PYB seems the stronger oil based on this VOA.

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#2460969 - 12/12/11 11:04 PM Re: Valvoline vs. Pennzoil Conventional (PYB) [Re: johnsmellsalot]
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Both oils are great quality oils in conventional.
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#2460970 - 12/12/11 11:05 PM Re: Valvoline vs. Pennzoil Conventional (PYB) [Re: OVERKILL]
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Registered: 10/31/09
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Loc: Iowa
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: johnsmellsalot
I'm wondering which oil returns better used oil analyses.


You can't compare UOA's on different oils.

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Isn't that like saying you can't compare which medicine works better overall in a medical study. I'm sure we could compile all the UOAs on the two oils and do an ANOVA test to determine if there is a difference.
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#2460972 - 12/12/11 11:08 PM Re: Valvoline vs. Pennzoil Conventional (PYB) [Re: LoneRanger]
johnsmellsalot Offline


Registered: 07/02/11
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I am very familiar with that website. I like that Pennzoil has the most moly. I was wondering about Valvoline because It doesn't have hardly any moly in it.
Originally Posted By: LoneRanger
Check out a VOA of both side by side here:

http://www.pqiamerica.com/testresultssep2011.html

PYB seems the much stronger oil based on this VOA.

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#2460974 - 12/12/11 11:10 PM Re: Valvoline vs. Pennzoil Conventional (PYB) [Re: Big_Kat]
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The mobil super looks really good on paper as well.
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#2460980 - 12/12/11 11:16 PM Re: Valvoline vs. Pennzoil Conventional (PYB) [Re: johnsmellsalot]
LoneRanger Offline


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Well, moly isn't everything. Ti is the new moly. Maybe.
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#2460981 - 12/12/11 11:17 PM Re: Valvoline vs. Pennzoil Conventional (PYB) [Re: Big_Kat]
OVERKILL Offline


Registered: 04/28/08
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Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: Big_Kat
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: johnsmellsalot
I'm wondering which oil returns better used oil analyses.


You can't compare UOA's on different oils.

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Isn't that like saying you can't compare which medicine works better overall in a medical study. I'm sure we could compile all the UOAs on the two oils and do an ANOVA test to determine if there is a difference.


No, because unless you are going to be doing tear-downs (real data) the "data" you end up with is meaningless.

You can perform VOA's and speculate as to an oil's potential capabilities/strengths. You can compare TBN retention and determine which oil is the longest lasting and perhaps base your oil choice (I can run this oil longer!) on that. But you can't compare which oil is giving you the "best protection" without actual wear data, something that cannot be extracted from UOA's. It requires tear-downs and actual measurements.
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#2460987 - 12/12/11 11:33 PM Re: Valvoline vs. Pennzoil Conventional (PYB) [Re: johnsmellsalot]
Dakota1820 Offline
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I agree Id use Mobil over those two
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#2460996 - 12/13/11 12:22 AM Re: Valvoline vs. Pennzoil Conventional (PYB) [Re: johnsmellsalot]
oilmaven Offline


Registered: 05/25/05
Posts: 650
Loc: Northern Michigan
Although I've never been a big fan of Valvoline and it looks "weak", it returns surprisingly good UOA's. There does seem to be more than meets the eye when it comes to the quality of the oil based on the UOA's vs. the info. one sees on paper. My choice in a conventional oil has always been PYB but any of these will serve well. I also like the specs and UOA's I've seen for Quaker State.
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#2460998 - 12/13/11 12:26 AM Re: Valvoline vs. Pennzoil Conventional (PYB) [Re: oilmaven]
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Registered: 08/06/10
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Loc: PL&F
Originally Posted By: oilmaven
Although I've never been a big fan of Valvoline and it looks "weak", it returns surprisingly good UOA's. There does seem to be more than meets the eye when it comes to the quality of the oil based on the UOA's vs. the info. one sees on paper. My choice in a conventional oil has always been PYB but any of these will serve well. I also like the specs and UOA's I've seen for Quaker State.


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#2461073 - 12/13/11 06:37 AM Re: Valvoline vs. Pennzoil Conventional (PYB) [Re: OVERKILL]
Radman Offline


Registered: 11/24/10
Posts: 485
Loc: Detroit, Michigan
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
You can't compare UOA's on different oils.


I am on a Nissan forum and my engine the 35VQDE is tough on shearing oil. All of us pooled our UOA's to find out which oils performed better. Most oils sheared out of grade. Castrols did the best with GTX out performing many of the synthetics.

Granted not many engines are as hard on oil as the 35VQDE. Although it is every mans perogative to compare and purchase whatever they want.
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#2461075 - 12/13/11 06:40 AM Re: Valvoline vs. Pennzoil Conventional (PYB) [Re: OVERKILL]
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Registered: 01/30/07
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Loc: Clovis, CA
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL

You can't compare UOA's on different oils.

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Yes you can.

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#2461077 - 12/13/11 06:46 AM Re: Valvoline vs. Pennzoil Conventional (PYB) [Re: johnsmellsalot]
Hollow Offline


Registered: 02/29/08
Posts: 986
Loc: displaced to IL
Based solely on comparing the additives used (see the most recent PQIA test results), and the fact that I have an engine that seems to prefer a higher content of Moly in the oil, I would go with PYB.

When I find a product I'm happy with, I stick with it. Most of my Subaru's life has been on SOPUS oils.


Edited by HollowEyes (12/13/11 06:47 AM)
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