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#1779104 - 02/12/10 10:17 AM Fuel Injector Cleaner Recommendation
barlowc Offline


Registered: 03/16/09
Posts: 2043
Loc: Southeast Michigan
As I've poked through the threads in this forum, I've seen numerous discussions on fuel additives, but they seem to mix topics a bit and talk about different kinds of fuel additives in the same thread. I'm wondering what folks think about Fuel Injector Cleaners specifically.

For years now, I've added a 16 oz. bottle of Chevron Pro-Gard with Techron every time I do an oil change. I've been buying 4-6 bottle boxes at Costco where my cost per bottle usually ends up being around $2.50 - $2.75. What do you guys think of that particular product?

These days I'm not as cost-conscious, and given that we purchased our current vehicles new, I'm willing to spend a little bit more if it's justified. Would the "regular" Chevron Techron (I think they're now calling it Techron Concentrate Plus) be a better choice and worth the extra money?

What about BG 44K? My Nissan dealer really pushes that, but I imagine it's primarily a way for them to increase their profit margin when customers do their oil changes at the dealer and pay extra for it. The downside to the BG product is that it looks harder to find since parts stores (at least the ones in my area) don't carry it.

Also, I've always put the fuel injector cleaner in at the start of an OCI, at the same time I'm changing the oil/filter. Is it better to put it in at the end of an OCI, or doesn't it really matter?
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#1779148 - 02/12/10 10:44 AM Re: Fuel Injector Cleaner Recommendation [Re: barlowc]
bepperb Offline


Registered: 01/10/08
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Loc: Milwaukee, WI
Techron is a good product. It used to say to use it at the end of an OCI, but now says nothing about it on the bottle. It does dissolve things, but a tankful or two won't clean out the varnish on a motorcycle carb, so it's not some miracle product (there is none that I have found).

Really, with the Ethanol in gas now things stay pretty clean on their own... IMO.
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#1779167 - 02/12/10 10:56 AM Re: Fuel Injector Cleaner Recommendation [Re: bepperb]
The Critic Offline


Registered: 08/30/04
Posts: 17844
Loc: Walnut Creek, CA
Chevron Pro-Gard w/Techron is not nearly as effective as concentrated Techron or 44K.

If you want a good fuel system cleaner, use Amsoil PI. It's simply the most powerful cleaner on the market. Alternatively, Redline SI-1 is a good choice. Regardless of which one you do, it is still necessary to use Amsoil PowerFoam or SeaFoam to clean the top-end of the engine periodically.

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#1779194 - 02/12/10 11:27 AM Re: Fuel Injector Cleaner Recommendation [Re: barlowc]
eoghan Offline


Registered: 02/23/06
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Loc: Nebraska
This what you need!!!
https://www.amsoil.com/storefront/api.aspx

THIS STUFF WORKS UNLIKE THE STUFF YOU GET AT AUTO PARTS STORES!!!
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#1779394 - 02/12/10 01:43 PM Re: Fuel Injector Cleaner Recommendation [Re: The Critic]
barlowc Offline


Registered: 03/16/09
Posts: 2043
Loc: Southeast Michigan
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Chevron Pro-Gard w/Techron is not nearly as effective as concentrated Techron or 44K.


But is Chevron Pro-Gard w/ Techron good enough if it's been used at every OCI since a vehicle was new?

Both of my vehicles (see signature below) has had a bottle of Chevron Pro-Gard w/ Techron every 6,000 miles since I purchased them new.
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#1779571 - 02/12/10 04:37 PM Re: Fuel Injector Cleaner Recommendation [Re: barlowc]
demarpaint Offline


Registered: 07/03/05
Posts: 21562
Loc: NY
Give Red Line FI and Fuel System cleaner a try. It is a great product and has some UCL properties as well.
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#1780368 - 02/13/10 12:46 PM Re: Fuel Injector Cleaner Recommendation [Re: barlowc]
Jax_RX8 Offline


Registered: 12/13/06
Posts: 345
Loc: Northern VA, USA
Originally Posted By: barlowc
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Chevron Pro-Gard w/Techron is not nearly as effective as concentrated Techron or 44K.


But is Chevron Pro-Gard w/ Techron good enough if it's been used at every OCI since a vehicle was new?

Both of my vehicles (see signature below) has had a bottle of Chevron Pro-Gard w/ Techron every 6,000 miles since I purchased them new.


Pro-Gard uses the same main ingredient, PEA, as Techron, Regane, Redline. The only issue with Pro-Gard is that it is at a much lower concentration, about 10-20%, While the rest are from 30-50% concentration.

If you want to stick with Pro-Gard, as it is cheap to buy in bulk at Costco, use it with a full tank of premium gas for more total cleaners in that tank and more often - maybe around 3000 miles.

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#1781035 - 02/14/10 02:25 AM Re: Fuel Injector Cleaner Recommendation [Re: Jax_RX8]
hardcore302 Offline


Registered: 11/23/09
Posts: 2442
Loc: Suffolk County, NY
Once again, Gumout with Regane for the win.
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#1781608 - 02/14/10 04:07 PM Re: Fuel Injector Cleaner Recommendation [Re: hardcore302]
Vizzy Offline


Registered: 04/26/09
Posts: 1183
Loc: Canada
For cleaning ability and value for the dollar (highest PEA concentrations) Gumout Regane Complete Fuel System Cleaner really can't be beat.

I'm always amazed that Gumout doesn't emphasize the PEA aspect of their Regane product since it is the critical cleaning component in a bottle injector cleaner.

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#1781644 - 02/14/10 04:48 PM Re: Fuel Injector Cleaner Recommendation [Re: Vizzy]
barlowc Offline


Registered: 03/16/09
Posts: 2043
Loc: Southeast Michigan
Anyone with thoughts on the Lucas Fuel Treatment?
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#1781672 - 02/14/10 05:10 PM Re: Fuel Injector Cleaner Recommendation [Re: barlowc]
SrDriver Offline


Registered: 12/09/06
Posts: 2496
Loc: Southeast Alabama
Originally Posted By: barlowc
Anyone with thoughts on the Lucas Fuel Treatment?


We have used it virtually every fill in the the last 3 vehicles we have owned.

Have been mixing it with MMO 50/50 starting recently.

Never had any issues using it. Lucas has a mild cleaning effect.

May try straight MMO in the future as it costs less when you buy it by the gallon at Wal-Mart.

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#1785312 - 02/17/10 03:59 PM Re: Fuel Injector Cleaner Recommendation [Re: barlowc]
jsc Offline


Registered: 01/08/10
Posts: 4
Loc: California
Lucas is just oil. I have talked to people from multiple companies and all have told me that there is no detergent in the lucas injector cleaner. Measuring the nitrogen in a injector cleaner is one why to get an idea of how much detergent is in the product. Lucas is in the range of ~12ppm while the others are ~500ppm or more. The Lucas shouldn't hurt your car, but it is kind of treating your car like a 2 stroke engine.

As for the question of which product to use, I would go with any of the big names because they will have done the testing to prove that their product works. STP, Chevron, Gumout. Real testing for these products can run into the 100k range per test. Also, Chevron invented the first PEA detergent.

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#1785730 - 02/17/10 09:10 PM Re: Fuel Injector Cleaner Recommendation [Re: jsc]
Durango Offline


Registered: 02/15/07
Posts: 2051
Loc: Los Angeles, California
I use Chevron "Techron" or Redline SL-1. Both on this forum have indicated very positive opinions.

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#1787114 - 02/19/10 02:19 AM Re: Fuel Injector Cleaner Recommendation [Re: Durango]
hardcore302 Offline


Registered: 11/23/09
Posts: 2442
Loc: Suffolk County, NY
Interesting statements about the Lucas Oil UCL. Is that why it seems to be more viscous than other fuel system cleaners?
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#1787543 - 02/19/10 01:25 PM Re: Fuel Injector Cleaner Recommendation [Re: barlowc]
Durango Offline


Registered: 02/15/07
Posts: 2051
Loc: Los Angeles, California
I've tried Chevron "Techron" and Redline S1 and have noticed no gain or difference is engine performance. As a fuel injector cleaner is concern to put in a product that claims to clean the injectors and in addition have another product "Techron" that does the same thing gives me a conclusion to use whatever is less expensive out of the two. After all they claim to do the same thing.

Redline I've heard/read on this forum that it too is an excellent cleaner and has an UCL included is one of my favorites cuz it does two things for one price.

Lucas I've tried when I had my old 89' Camry and it appeared to do a decent job AND noticed a gain in engine performance but didn't see any change in MPG. When I noticed this difference it was over a two week period when I havd to add a small bottle per week!!! Anyway I stopped using it cuz it get expensive over periods of time.

Never tried BG-44 before.


Durango

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