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#1765704 - 02/02/10 01:49 PM quaker state high mileage not api certified
st9 Offline


Registered: 05/16/09
Posts: 6
Loc: Colorado
I was at walmart last night looking at oil and noticed the quaker state high mileage bottles have no api labels on them.
Are they not api certified?

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#1765802 - 02/02/10 03:11 PM Re: quaker state high mileage not api certified [Re: st9]
Ken2 Offline


Registered: 12/02/02
Posts: 6358
Loc: Washington St.
Looks like it won't meet the spec. Worry not...if you trust Shell, buy the oil; if not, don't buy it. The spec it won't meet is probably the economy requirement and maybe the phosphorus limit, maybe others that do not effect engine protection.

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#1765846 - 02/02/10 03:48 PM Re: quaker state high mileage not api certified [Re: st9]
CompSyn Offline


Registered: 05/11/08
Posts: 325
Loc: Pacific NW USA
Companies like Mobil 1, Red Line, Royal Purple, Amsoil, and Schaeffer's ALL make top performing engine oils that are NOT API Certified.

I think it's really a non-issue to buy non-certified lubes from trusted companies that have been around for a while and produce other products that are certified. And in many cases, a product that carries a "meets or exceeds" recommendation in lieu of a certification may perform better anyway.

I've been using a non-certified engine oil in my car for two years now and the UOAs are fine.

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#1765852 - 02/02/10 03:52 PM Re: quaker state high mileage not api certified [Re: CompSyn]
NHHEMI Offline


Registered: 07/06/07
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Loc: NH
Originally Posted By: CompSyn
Companies like Mobil 1, Red Line, Royal Purple, Amsoil, and Schaeffer's ALL make top performing engine oils that are NOT API Certified.

I think it's really a non-issue to buy non-certified lubes from trusted companies that have been around for a while and produce other products that are certified. And in many cases, a product that carries a "meets or exceeds" recommendation in lieu of a certification may perform better anyway.

I've been using a non-certified engine oil in my car for two years now and the UOAs are fine.


Amsoil XL is APi Certified as are all of the Royal Purple street oils( ie; non racing ). shrug
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#1765862 - 02/02/10 04:03 PM Re: quaker state high mileage not api certified [Re: NHHEMI]
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Royal... puke.....Purple.... j/k grin


Edited by PT1 (02/02/10 04:04 PM)
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#1765929 - 02/02/10 04:50 PM Re: quaker state high mileage not api certified [Re: st9]
hominid7 Offline


Registered: 08/10/05
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Loc: North Texas
Originally Posted By: st9
I was at walmart last night looking at oil and noticed the quaker state high mileage bottles have no api labels on them.
Are they not api certified?


It's becuase it has the "Slick50" on the label.

If i were SOPUS i'd leave the slick 50 off the label and get the API symbols on...But they didnt ask me;)
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#1765951 - 02/02/10 05:05 PM Re: quaker state high mileage not api certified [Re: hominid7]
kender Offline


Registered: 12/14/06
Posts: 329
Loc: Late, Great USA
I emailed quaker state about this very subject last month. Their reply was that it does meet API SM, but they decided to leave it off the bottles so that some people with older cars that require API SG,SF, etc. don't get confused with the SM on the bottle.
I am using it in my wife's '95 mazda right now. First time I've tried it. The engine runs much smoother, and it really quieted down some valve train noise.
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#1766060 - 02/02/10 06:40 PM Re: quaker state high mileage not api certified [Re: kender]
kender Offline


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Check out the VOA that was posted yesterday. Maybe that's the real reason!?!?
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#1766567 - 02/03/10 06:01 AM Re: quaker state high mileage not api certified [Re: NHHEMI]
CompSyn Offline


Registered: 05/11/08
Posts: 325
Loc: Pacific NW USA
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: CompSyn
Companies like Mobil 1, Red Line, Royal Purple, Amsoil, and Schaeffer's ALL make top performing engine oils that are NOT API Certified.

I think it's really a non-issue to buy non-certified lubes from trusted companies that have been around for a while and produce other products that are certified. And in many cases, a product that carries a "meets or exceeds" recommendation in lieu of a certification may perform better anyway.

I've been using a non-certified engine oil in my car for two years now and the UOAs are fine.


Amsoil XL is APi Certified as are all of the Royal Purple street oils( ie; non racing ). shrug


Yes, that's what I was trying to say.

For example:

Amsoil XL 10W-30 - (API Licensed)
Amsoil High Performance 10W-30 (Not API Licensed)

Royal Purple High Performance 5W-30 - (API Licensed)
Royal Purple XPR 5W-30 - (Not API Licensed)

Question: Do the Non-API Licensed products listed above perform poorly because they do not carry a license?

BTW, anyone can go to the API EOLCS Licensee Directory and look up any brand for themselves. I don't see Quaker State High Mileage listed there unless it's under another name?

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#1766600 - 02/03/10 06:55 AM Re: quaker state high mileage not api certified [Re: kender]
Nick R Offline


Registered: 07/14/09
Posts: 11011
Loc: Albany, NY
Originally Posted By: kender
Check out the VOA that was posted yesterday. Maybe that's the real reason!?!?


That must be an error.
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#1770026 - 02/05/10 05:10 PM Re: quaker state high mileage not api certified [Re: Nick R]
Johnny Offline


Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 14013
Loc: Retired | Wausau, WI
I sent an email this morning to one of my last friends in the technical depart of Shell asking him why no API donut on the Quaker State HM oils and here was his quick reply to me.

They didn't think it was worth paying the API license fee since high mileage vehicles are usually out of warranty.

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#1770033 - 02/05/10 05:16 PM Re: quaker state high mileage not api certified [Re: Johnny]
Bill in Utah Offline



Registered: 11/11/02
Posts: 12821
Loc: UT
Originally Posted By: Johnny
I sent an email this morning to one of my last friends in the technical depart of Shell asking him why no API donut on the Quaker State HM oils and here was his quick reply to me.

They didn't think it was worth paying the API license fee since high mileage vehicles are usually out of warranty.


Excellent answer!

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#2149643 - 01/24/11 03:59 PM Re: quaker state high mileage not api certified [Re: st9]
Bill in Utah Offline



Registered: 11/11/02
Posts: 12821
Loc: UT
And to bring back this older thread. I've decided to see if any of the marketing works. slobber

So I've bought a jug and qt of QS HM 5w-30 to put in the Daughter's 98 Contour that has a pretty good leak at 108k miles.

Vehicle runs fine, engine check light is on all the time (needs O2 sensors, crankshaft sensor according to the codes) so I'm trying the HM only for the leaks.

Here is a shot of the non API (or any) ratings bottle.



Reminds me of the Mobil 1 days after Katrina! grin2

Bill

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#2149649 - 01/24/11 04:03 PM Re: quaker state high mileage not api certified [Re: st9]
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Registered: 10/11/02
Posts: 21505
Loc: Colorado Springs
Low blow, LOW BLOW!!!

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#2149655 - 01/24/11 04:07 PM Re: quaker state high mileage not api certified [Re: st9]
Johnny Offline


Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 14013
Loc: Retired | Wausau, WI
Well, if it had an API rating it would probably be obsolete with the additive package they have in it. It is a HIGH MILEAGE OIL, and one of the better ones on the market.

As I know you will, let us know how it works in your daughters car.

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