Drivers who are clearly in the wrong

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Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Did about 250 miles on two interstates today.

Why is it ALWAYS a Rogue, Rav4, or CRV riding in the left lane???


Because there were no Corollas around at that particular moment.
 
Originally Posted By: andrewg
Yep....I agree. A guy at my work with some GIANT Dodge pickup often zooms past me at 80 mph in a 60. The guy is a real moron. I used to enjoy talking to him at work...but when I found out how selfish and dangerous he is on the roads...I can't stomach him because I'm afraid I'll let him know how I feel about his driving.


5 over isn't a big deal...most speedometers are off by that much, or close to it anyway, and even 10 over isn't too bad, but 20 over is ridiculous...
 
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Did about 250 miles on two interstates today.

Why is it ALWAYS a Rogue, Rav4, or CRV riding in the left lane???


I usually see full size Chevy and Ford trucks, and premium brand vehicles in the left lane...of course they're always speeding more than anyone else too...


Well yeah, I normally do about 20 over unless my Escort starts going off or I see a lot of police activity. There was a new F150 that stuck with me for nearly 80 miles.

It's Rogue, Rav4, CRV etc... That's slowing the whole thing down by matching the speed of the car next to it while going 71.5mph on the left lane.


20 over is too fast...5 over or less is fine, but 20 is way too fast...what's the posted speed limit there?


It's 65 or 70 depending on the stretch.
 
Originally Posted By: WylieCoyote
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Did about 250 miles on two interstates today.

Why is it ALWAYS a Rogue, Rav4, or CRV riding in the left lane???


Because there were no Corollas around at that particular moment.

lol
 
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Originally Posted By: eljefino


I AM ENTITLED TO SPEED AND YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO BLOCK ME.

You're entitled to take offense. Some people in the world have a different opinion of importance of following all of the rules.

I'm at risk of a ticket. I take that very slight risk on.

How it is.


I am with you, 100%. If you are impeding traffic, MOVE OVER. I'll do 90+ if I [censored] well please, and I don't need a highway superhero in my way to "teach me a lesson."

SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT.


You are classic example of what is wrong with drivers today...you think you can make up your own rules...speed limits exist for a reason...if you can't abide by the laws, then stay off the roads!



I personally wouldn't mind seeing left-lane hogs like yourself jailed. Because as we can all tell, you have no problems imposing your will over others. What's absurdly ironic is if they raised that sign to 80mph, your car would magically speed up to that limit, instead of the lower, actual speed it currently is (and which you believe you have the government-given right to enforce).

The name for those kind of drivers, after driving Greyhound for seven years, was aptly named "speed-limit-idiot". No context of the dynamics, physics, or flow of the traffic, just a rigid belief that surely, the government bureau that instituted that speed sign must know what's best.

The sad part is I manoeuvered a 45' bus with a 12' pup trailer with more grace and respect, and a much larger margin of space, than these nimble pocket cars. I actually understood the concept that "time is money", and it wasn't up to me to dictate someone else's time...
 
Originally Posted By: firemachine69
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Originally Posted By: eljefino


I AM ENTITLED TO SPEED AND YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO BLOCK ME.

You're entitled to take offense. Some people in the world have a different opinion of importance of following all of the rules.

I'm at risk of a ticket. I take that very slight risk on.

How it is.


I am with you, 100%. If you are impeding traffic, MOVE OVER. I'll do 90+ if I [censored] well please, and I don't need a highway superhero in my way to "teach me a lesson."

SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT.


You are classic example of what is wrong with drivers today...you think you can make up your own rules...speed limits exist for a reason...if you can't abide by the laws, then stay off the roads!



I personally wouldn't mind seeing left-lane hogs like yourself jailed. Because as we can all tell, you have no problems imposing your will over others. What's absurdly ironic is if they raised that sign to 80mph, your car would magically speed up to that limit, instead of the lower, actual speed it currently is (and which you believe you have the government-given right to enforce).

The name for those kind of drivers, after driving Greyhound for seven years, was aptly named "speed-limit-idiot". No context of the dynamics, physics, or flow of the traffic, just a rigid belief that surely, the government bureau that instituted that speed sign must know what's best.

The sad part is I manoeuvered a 45' bus with a 12' pup trailer with more grace and respect, and a much larger margin of space, than these nimble pocket cars. I actually understood the concept that "time is money", and it wasn't up to me to dictate someone else's time...


Where are you people getting this notion that I block the left lane? Just because I don't approve of people speeding, that automatically makes me a left lane camper? For whatever it's worth, I stay right except to pass...and I don't believe I have any right to enforce speed limits, but the government certainly does, and should...
 
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Very simply: Your high speed does not equal right of way. If someone chooses to drive fast then they must take responsibility. I have no obligation to try and help someone fly faster.

Amazes me how people will disobey laws selectively, then try and lambaste others about breaking a law they follow!
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Very simply: Your high speed does not equal right of way. If someone chooses to drive fast then they must take responsibility. I have no obligation to try and help someone fly faster.

Amazes me how people will disobey laws selectively, then try and lambaste others about breaking a law they follow!


It amazes me how many people think it's not only okay to speed, but believe they have a right to speed...I guess it's just part of today's me, me, me society...
 
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Very simply: Your high speed does not equal right of way. If someone chooses to drive fast then they must take responsibility. I have no obligation to try and help someone fly faster.

Amazes me how people will disobey laws selectively, then try and lambaste others about breaking a law they follow!


It amazes me how many people think it's not only okay to speed, but believe they have a right to speed...I guess it's just part of today's me, me, me society...



Your definition of "speeding" is defined by government. Some people disagree with the government. Some people's time is worth more than a government's interpretation of speeding. Seeing as how the majority of traffic "speeds", perhaps the concept of mass non-compliance comes to mind?
 
Every car on the road "adds to traffic". It's the definition of traffic.

If you think there should be strict rules about which lane to drive in, why shouldn't there also be rules about how fast to go?
 
Originally Posted By: firemachine69
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Very simply: Your high speed does not equal right of way. If someone chooses to drive fast then they must take responsibility. I have no obligation to try and help someone fly faster.

Amazes me how people will disobey laws selectively, then try and lambaste others about breaking a law they follow!


It amazes me how many people think it's not only okay to speed, but believe they have a right to speed...I guess it's just part of today's me, me, me society...



Your definition of "speeding" is defined by government. Some people disagree with the government. Some people's time is worth more than a government's interpretation of speeding. Seeing as how the majority of traffic "speeds", perhaps the concept of mass non-compliance comes to mind?


If people so concerned about arriving at their destinations as early as possible, instead of speeding, how about leaving sooner? Believing your time is too valuable to obey speed limits is not a valid reason to break the law...just because most people speed, it doesn't make it acceptable...
 
I don't know about other states, but in Florida, left-lane cruising is both inappropriate operation of a motor vehicle, and technically illegal. The left-most lane of any highway is strictly for overtaking other vehicles.

A person who is cruising in that lane, whether or not they are preventing other vehicles from overtaking it, is in clear violation of traffic rules for use of the left lane.

Anyone who respects the law and the rules of traffic should be staying out of the left lane unless executing a passing maneuver.


Quote:
316.083 Overtaking and passing a vehicle.—The following rules shall govern the overtaking and passing of vehicles proceeding in the same direction, subject to those limitations, exceptions, and special rules hereinafter stated:
(1) The driver of a vehicle overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction shall give an appropriate signal as provided for in s. 316.156, shall pass to the left thereof at a safe distance, and shall not again drive to the right side of the roadway until safely clear of the overtaken vehicle. The driver of a vehicle overtaking a bicycle or other nonmotorized vehicle must pass the bicycle or other nonmotorized vehicle at a safe distance of not less than 3 feet between the vehicle and the bicycle or other nonmotorized vehicle.
(2) Except when overtaking and passing on the right is permitted, the driver of an overtaken vehicle shall give way to the right in favor of the overtaking vehicle, on audible signal or upon the visible blinking of the headlamps of the overtaking vehicle if such overtaking is being attempted at nighttime, and shall not increase the speed of his or her vehicle until completely passed by the overtaking vehicle.
(3) A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a moving violation as provided in chapter 318.



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316.081 Driving on right side of roadway; exceptions.—
(1) Upon all roadways of sufficient width, a vehicle shall be driven upon the right half of the roadway, except as follows:
(a) When overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction under the rules governing such movement;

(b) When an obstruction exists making it necessary to drive to the left of the center of the highway; provided any person so doing shall yield the right-of-way to all vehicles traveling in the proper direction upon the unobstructed portion of the highway within such distance as to constitute an immediate hazard;
(c) Upon a roadway divided into three marked lanes for traffic under the rules applicable thereon; or
(d) Upon a roadway designated and signposted for one-way traffic.
(2) Upon all roadways, any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.
(3) On a road, street, or highway having two or more lanes allowing movement in the same direction, a driver may not continue to operate a motor vehicle in the furthermost left-hand lane if the driver knows or reasonably should know that he or she is being overtaken in that lane from the rear by a motor vehicle traveling at a higher rate of speed. This subsection does not apply to drivers operating a vehicle that is overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, or is preparing for a left turn at an intersection.
(4) Upon any roadway having four or more lanes for moving traffic and providing for two-way movement of traffic, no vehicle shall be driven to the left of the centerline of the roadway, except when authorized by official traffic control devices designating certain lanes to the left side of the center of the roadway for use by traffic not otherwise permitted to use such lanes, or except as permitted under paragraph (1)(b). However, this subsection shall not be construed as prohibiting the crossing of the centerline in making a left turn into or from an alley, private road, or driveway.
(5) A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a moving violation as provided in chapter 318.
 
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: firemachine69
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Very simply: Your high speed does not equal right of way. If someone chooses to drive fast then they must take responsibility. I have no obligation to try and help someone fly faster.

Amazes me how people will disobey laws selectively, then try and lambaste others about breaking a law they follow!


It amazes me how many people think it's not only okay to speed, but believe they have a right to speed...I guess it's just part of today's me, me, me society...



Your definition of "speeding" is defined by government. Some people disagree with the government. Some people's time is worth more than a government's interpretation of speeding. Seeing as how the majority of traffic "speeds", perhaps the concept of mass non-compliance comes to mind?


If people so concerned about arriving at their destinations as early as possible, instead of speeding, how about leaving sooner? Believing your time is too valuable to obey speed limits is not a valid reason to break the law...just because most people speed, it doesn't make it acceptable...


I agree with you.

Funny thing is, most people have no clear reason (my opinion) to arrive at a destination quickly. They just want to go fast and get ahead of the person in front of them. It's similar to waiting in lines at the theater or wherever....people just want to be ahead.

The idiots that are always late and need to speed to catch up....are....well.....idiots. You can't fix people like that.
 
Originally Posted By: andrewg

I agree with you.

Funny thing is, most people have no clear reason (my opinion) to arrive at a destination quickly. They just want to go fast and get ahead of the person in front of them. It's similar to waiting in lines at the theater or wherever....people just want to be ahead.

The idiots that are always late and need to speed to catch up....are....well.....idiots. You can't fix people like that.


Here's the problem with that logic, even if that applied to 90-95% of the people out there, you are impeding the progress of the other percentage of people who really do need to get somewhere in a timely fashion, like emergency workers, police, fire, ambulance. Just because you can't see them doesn't mean you're not impeding them. Then there's those cases where people with an on going heart attack drive themselves to the hospital. Left lane hogs are basically selfish and are breaking the law no matter what their justification. Like OJ trying to take back his own belongings, he's still in jail. It's still wrong and there's no justification for a left lane hog. It's the variation in speed that causes accidents, people trying to slingshot around a slowpoke makes things more dangerous, not safer.

Idiots are all over the place, no one asked the slow poke to fix those idiots by slowing them up. Let the idiots pass, do not be the instigator of road rage.
 
Originally Posted By: Wolf359
Originally Posted By: andrewg

I agree with you.

Funny thing is, most people have no clear reason (my opinion) to arrive at a destination quickly. They just want to go fast and get ahead of the person in front of them. It's similar to waiting in lines at the theater or wherever....people just want to be ahead.

The idiots that are always late and need to speed to catch up....are....well.....idiots. You can't fix people like that.


Here's the problem with that logic, even if that applied to 90-95% of the people out there, you are impeding the progress of the other percentage of people who really do need to get somewhere in a timely fashion, like emergency workers, police, fire, ambulance. Just because you can't see them doesn't mean you're not impeding them. Then there's those cases where people with an on going heart attack drive themselves to the hospital. Left lane hogs are basically selfish and are breaking the law no matter what their justification. Like OJ trying to take back his own belongings, he's still in jail. It's still wrong and there's no justification for a left lane hog. It's the variation in speed that causes accidents, people trying to slingshot around a slowpoke makes things more dangerous, not safer.

Idiots are all over the place, no one asked the slow poke to fix those idiots by slowing them up. Let the idiots pass, do not be the instigator of road rage.


Again, who in this discussion purposely impedes faster moving traffic? Not me, though some ASSUME I do just because I don't like speeding...like I said, I stay right except to pass, and I also don't think people should purposely park in the left to impede traffic flow...
 
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: Wolf359
Originally Posted By: andrewg

I agree with you.

Funny thing is, most people have no clear reason (my opinion) to arrive at a destination quickly. They just want to go fast and get ahead of the person in front of them. It's similar to waiting in lines at the theater or wherever....people just want to be ahead.

The idiots that are always late and need to speed to catch up....are....well.....idiots. You can't fix people like that.


Here's the problem with that logic, even if that applied to 90-95% of the people out there, you are impeding the progress of the other percentage of people who really do need to get somewhere in a timely fashion, like emergency workers, police, fire, ambulance. Just because you can't see them doesn't mean you're not impeding them. Then there's those cases where people with an on going heart attack drive themselves to the hospital. Left lane hogs are basically selfish and are breaking the law no matter what their justification. Like OJ trying to take back his own belongings, he's still in jail. It's still wrong and there's no justification for a left lane hog. It's the variation in speed that causes accidents, people trying to slingshot around a slowpoke makes things more dangerous, not safer.

Idiots are all over the place, no one asked the slow poke to fix those idiots by slowing them up. Let the idiots pass, do not be the instigator of road rage.


Again, who in this discussion purposely impedes faster moving traffic? Not me, though some ASSUME I do just because I don't like speeding...like I said, I stay right except to pass, and I also don't think people should purposely park in the left to impede traffic flow...


Well I wasn't quoting you and I agree that people should leave earlier, lot easier to do that now with Google maps telling you how long it should take. I'm just saying that no matter what you believe, there's no justification for a left lane hog. In the past, highways were designed with a 70 mph speed in mind. Then government started messing with the speed limits since the arab oil embargo. The standard is to set the speed limit at 80% of what people drive at. When most people are driving much faster, it's the speed limits that are too low, not that everyone should be obeying the speed limit and just hogging the left lane. The basic rules of the road still apply even with lower speed limit, slower traffic, keep right.

Driving on German Autobahns are really amazing, there are no left lane hogs, everyone just moves over and if you see a faster car coming behind you, you just move over.
 
Originally Posted By: Wolf359
Originally Posted By: andrewg

I agree with you.

Funny thing is, most people have no clear reason (my opinion) to arrive at a destination quickly. They just want to go fast and get ahead of the person in front of them. It's similar to waiting in lines at the theater or wherever....people just want to be ahead.

The idiots that are always late and need to speed to catch up....are....well.....idiots. You can't fix people like that.


Here's the problem with that logic, even if that applied to 90-95% of the people out there, you are impeding the progress of the other percentage of people who really do need to get somewhere in a timely fashion, like emergency workers, police, fire, ambulance. Just because you can't see them doesn't mean you're not impeding them. Then there's those cases where people with an on going heart attack drive themselves to the hospital. Left lane hogs are basically selfish and are breaking the law no matter what their justification. Like OJ trying to take back his own belongings, he's still in jail. It's still wrong and there's no justification for a left lane hog. It's the variation in speed that causes accidents, people trying to slingshot around a slowpoke makes things more dangerous, not safer.

Idiots are all over the place, no one asked the slow poke to fix those idiots by slowing them up. Let the idiots pass, do not be the instigator of road rage.


Well, I don't sit in the left lane. I use it for passing or going around merging slow-pokes. But in the same fashion, nobody that chooses to stay in the left lane and go 80 mph has a right of any sort to expect everybody to simply move out of the way so that they can get home faster. It's just as illegal to do that as it is breaking any traffic law. Speed limits are speed LIMITS. Only time it is permissible to speed is when passing. The law is clear about that. Once you pass a vehicle you must return to the posted speed limit.

As for emergency vehicles? Who doesn't move over? I've not seen that. Heart attacks and personal emergencies? Now you are talking about .01%.
 
Originally Posted By: Wolf359
The standard is to set the speed limit at 80% of what people drive at.


Where did you come up with that? So if most people drive 100 mph, the speed limits would be set to 80? That makes no sense whatsoever...
 
Originally Posted By: Wolf359


Driving on German Autobahns are really amazing, there are no left lane hogs, everyone just moves over and if you see a faster car coming behind you, you just move over.


Then courtesy and politeness must still exist among drivers in Germany...here it's a narcissistic free-for-all...
 
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