Carrier A/C moving ALL production to Mexico.

[sleddriver]

Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel
Well the greed just keeps on growing, United Technologies which owns Carrier A/C (also produce units under the Trane brand and some others) is moving ALL production AND distribution to Mexico in the next couple of years.
I remember the recent new motor capacitors I bought were made by GE, but in Mexico. All the equipment was moved there from NE, I think.

So if Carrier is being moved in order to be closer to its suppliers, are the compressors and fan motors already produced in Mexico? That leaves the sheet metal & grilles. Are these union steel workers whose jobs will be lost?

Jetstar already chimmed in that the controllers were still made in Indy. I wonder if environmental conditions influenced this decision?

After all, due to the EPA's ridiculous mandates, you can no longer buy inhalers over-the-counter anywhere in the USA! That's just nuts......They took inexpensive inhalers right from a child's mouth, suffering from asthma & breathing difficulties! That's pretty HARD CORE. (BTW, have you checked the price of Albuterol lately?)

"A Govn't Big Enough To Provide Everything You Need is Big Enough To Take Everything You Have."

"Progress Demands Sacrifice"....(your turn now!)

Life sure comes at us fast in this day and age, doesn't it?

Like the old mariner said in Master & Commander: "You'd better HOLD FAST!"

 

[CKN]

Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel
Originally Posted By: cptbarkey
Is this the part where we play the marching band music and take arms against the government like all those other sordid posts you made when the Oregon maroons gave up?


I believe that when the Feds murdered Mr. Finnicum in cold blood
(see drone video for proof, the man has his hands high in the air before they murdered him)
the other Patriots actually proved their point to the rest of the country, that the folks in charge of this gov't are guilty of tyranny.


We must be watching two different versions-I saw his hands move to his waist-for whatever reasons.....

 

[Whimsey]

Business not only looks at taxes and labor costs but also regulatory expenses. These have increased substantially under the Obama administration. I'm not taking sides, I'm just saying.

Whimsey

 

[Mr Nice]

Trump even mentioned jobs lost at Carrier last night during the debate.

On one hand you got Americans wanting jobs to stay in the USA.
On the other had Americans want their investments to grow... which means for maximum profits companies move from USA to overseas.

I've never been around a manufacturing town, so I don't know what the Rust Belt looks like, while other see abandoned factories and empty manufacturing facilities in their area daily.

There is a guy that made a short film on YouTube called NAFTAville. He give a tour of the now shuttered leather factory he worked at for many years.

 

[Silverado12]

Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel
I hope that if Trump gets elected that products produced OUTSIDE of the USA get slapped with huge tariffs. Fact is when strictly enforced, tariffs work well.



Trump doesn't even make his products here. He's all talk. Bernie is not.

 

[Silverado12]

Originally Posted By: Whimsey
Business not only looks at taxes and labor costs but also regulatory expenses. These have increased substantially under the Obama administration. I'm not taking sides, I'm just saying.

Whimsey


Link?

 

[Trav]

I like your sig "Buy American" yet you carry the water for an anti American kook fringe socialist.

 

[dishdude]

Originally Posted By: Trav
I like your sig "Buy American" yet you carry the water for an anti American kook fringe socialist.

Silverado gets it, wish more Americans did.

 

[GiveMeAVowel]

Originally Posted By: Silverado12
Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel
I hope that if Trump gets elected that products produced OUTSIDE of the USA get slapped with huge tariffs. Fact is when strictly enforced, tariffs work well.



Trump doesn't even make his products here. He's all talk. Bernie is not.



I agree with a LOT of what Sanders says and does, but the problem is that we don't have a "nation" of one people anymore so you will never have the ability for the entire community all with very similar interests to help one another and also expect diligence from all citizens, this is what you used to see in Sweden, Norway, Iceland, and Finland until all the hordes of
alien invaders arrived upsetting the delicate balance of those previously homogeneous nations, which allowed socialism to function.


Actually I don't think that Trump is just talk on the trade issues at all, I think he will eliminate ILLEGAL and UNconstitutional agreements made in the past 25 years or so, NAFTA, GATT, WTO, ect are all illegal under our Constitution. Frankly I think that it might just be that this video of that CEO at Carrier saying they are taking all the jobs to Mexico keeps the decision from happening as it appears to be going viral and showing up everywhere and even other US citizens viewing it are outraged, disgusted, and fed up, and won't buy any more United Technology brands because of their actions, if they don't change their minds, ASAP.

 

[Trav]

Originally Posted By: dishdude
Originally Posted By: Trav
I like your sig "Buy American" yet you carry the water for an anti American kook fringe socialist.

Silverado gets it, wish more Americans did.


Don't worry the next President will bring hope and change, just not for the freeloaders and illegals.

 

[DBMaster]

Lennox moved a lot of jobs to Mexico a few years ago when the lion's share of furnace manufacturing left its Marshalltown, Iowa plant.

Here's the rub. Most of those bemoaning the loss of American jobs are not willing to pay the higher prices inherent in American made products. Note that I said MOST, not ALL. So, companies go for any way they can to lower cost, maximize shareholder profit, and reel in the largest bonuses for execs. Preserving American jobs doesn't fit into the capitalist equation.

Prior to moving the assembly out of the country, most of the component manufacturing already had been.

I am not advocating a position here. I'm just stating my solid belief that America votes with its wallet and principles go out the window, generally, where parting with money is concerned.

 

[Mr Nice]

Trav,

www.DailyJobCuts.com

Unemployment will drop to 2% just before the election.

Meanwhile 6000 people apply at a newly built Walmart Supercenter

College kids line up to see him when he has a 5 minute photo Op at their campus. Many will only find part time McJobs after graduation.

 

[JHZR2]

Originally Posted By: DBMaster
Lennox moved a lot of jobs to Mexico a few years ago when the lion's share of furnace manufacturing left its Marshalltown, Iowa plant.

Here's the rub. Most of those bemoaning the loss of American jobs are not willing to pay the higher prices inherent in American made products. Note that I said MOST, not ALL. So, companies go for any way they can to lower cost, maximize shareholder profit, and reel in the largest bonuses for execs. Preserving American jobs doesn't fit into the capitalist equation.

Prior to moving the assembly out of the country, most of the component manufacturing already had been.

I am not advocating a position here. I'm just stating my solid belief that America votes with its wallet and principles go out the window, generally, where parting with money is concerned.


+1 well said. Look at all the folks on here pridefully going and buying foreign (third world lowest bidder) stuff.

 

[Win]

Originally Posted By: DBMaster


Prior to moving the assembly out of the country, most of the component manufacturing already had been.



It was just the opposite here - when the big assemblers said hasta la vista to go hecho en mexico, the suppliers had no one left to supply. So they just closed.

There is still some HVAC left here. Trane is mostly gone, the facility is still open, not sure what they really do. Rheem is still open, but probably only a matter of time before hecho en mexico.

Thanks, Billary.

 

[Win]

Originally Posted By: Silverado12


Trump doesn't even make his products here. He's all talk. Bernie is not.


What does Bernie make?

 

[DBMaster]

Maybe there is a silver lining. Just trying to be positive here. The more decent jobs that are created in Mexico the fewer Mexicans have to cross the border to find gainful employment.

But, we want to have our cake and eat it, too. There's this economic principle called competitive advantage. The USA just doesn't have competitive advantage in manufacturing anymore. Unless you are seeking the absolute lowest possible cost, quality manufacturing can be accomplished in other countries (i.e. Apple). If we want to keep the jobs here we need to understand that Americans have to have higher wages, therefore, products will OFTEN (not always) cost more.

I was taught in high school (1983 graduate) that America was moving toward a service and innovation economy and that losing manufacturing was already a foregone conclusion. It's all really easy to say, but when you are the one being outsourced it is pretty traumatic. Those jobs, and the high wages associated with them are more or less gone and won't be returning any time soon.

We want our lifestyle, but generally don't want others to have it (or, at least, don't care). Somewhere down the road the people in the low cost manufacturing environments will want what we have and demand higher wages. It's already happening. Eventually, things will come full circle. Unless we are prepared to embraced the taxation models of other developed nations and a different economic system we will have to be patient.

 

[xfactor9]

Economies evolve. The San Francisco Bay Area used to have significant manufacturing and ship-building 100 years ago. Today there are abandoned factories and warehouses littered in downtown SF. The shipbuilders left. Many of those jobs are gone for good ... And yet, the area's economy is vibrant and bustling today, with some of the highest incomes in the country. That's hardly a doomsday scenario.

People don't like change because it requires them to get out of their comfort zone. But if the US economy never evolved, our economy would still be 20% agriculture like in the old days, and we would not be the super power that we are with that type of economy.

 

[Vern_in_IL]

Originally Posted By: DBMaster
Maybe there is a silver lining. Just trying to be positive here. The more decent jobs that are created in Mexico the fewer Mexicans have to cross the border to find gainful employment.

But, we want to have our cake and eat it, too. There's this economic principle called competitive advantage. The USA just doesn't have competitive advantage in manufacturing anymore. Unless you are seeking the absolute lowest possible cost, quality manufacturing can be accomplished in other countries (i.e. Apple). If we want to keep the jobs here we need to understand that Americans have to have higher wages, therefore, products will OFTEN (not always) cost more.

I was taught in high school (1983 graduate) that America was moving toward a service and innovation economy and that losing manufacturing was already a foregone conclusion. It's all really easy to say, but when you are the one being outsourced it is pretty traumatic. Those jobs, and the high wages associated with them are more or less gone and won't be returning any time soon.

We want our lifestyle, but generally don't want others to have it (or, at least, don't care). Somewhere down the road the people in the low cost manufacturing environments will want what we have and demand higher wages. It's already happening. Eventually, things will come full circle. Unless we are prepared to embraced the taxation models of other developed nations and a different economic system we will have to be patient.


As Milton Friedman put it, "Human and Political freedom has NEVER existed, and CANNOT exist, without a LARGE measure of ECONOMIC FREEDOM. The clearest demonstration on how people clearly value freedom, is how they vote with their feet, when they have no other way to vote"

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: dishdude
Originally Posted By: Trav
I like your sig "Buy American" yet you carry the water for an anti American kook fringe socialist.

Silverado gets it, wish more Americans did.


Don't worry the next President will bring hope and change, just not for the freeloaders and illegals.

Depends on who wins...if it's a republican, yes, but if it's Hillary or Bernie, this country will become THE country of freeloaders and illegals...