Carrier A/C moving ALL production to Mexico.

[JetStar]

The small town of Huntington, Indiana (just down the road from me, population 17,500) will loose 700 jobs over the next two years when Utec (United Technologies) closes and moves to Mexico. They build the electronics for Carrier. I recently spoke with an engineer that worked there recently. He said that the site's lean manufacturing initiatives were keeping them competitive with Mexico and China and that they had recently moved work back into the facility due to quality problems at the offshore facilities. The reason Utec gave for the work transfer was that it allowed them to be closer to their customers.
Year over Year this once strong manufacturing community looses jobs to Mexico, typical of small towns across the rust belt. How much is enough? How many jobs can you take out of a community before it dries up and blows away? In it's heyday in the from the 60's through the 90's this town was thriving with many stores, auto, motorcycle, boat dealers, etc... The population was employed, and had disposable income. It's all gone now. This micro-economy seems to represent a story all to familiar. When the jobs go, it drags everything down with it.

 

[KevinP64]

New Carrier heat system purchased several yrs ago has been nothing but junk for me. Breakdown almost yrly. requiring component replacement. Circuit boards, wiring, fans, heck even the grill broke. Stuff evidently starts at the top and consequences roll down hill. Pardon my rant, but crossing UT products off my buy list already happened. Companies have a different perspective on economics/economy. Early 70's Steel and USW had a big campaign to buy American, cars really. I had a VW, all I could afford. Read in paper a month or so later that Chrysler bought a huge amount of Japanese sheet.

 

[Trav]

Originally Posted By: Bluestream
Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: hatt
rump's products are made outside of the US. We know he isn't going to tax himself.

Examples, proof?


Trump's clothing line is made in China


I didn't even know he had a clothing line, his current gear on the website is all USA made.
No matter, even if he did at least he is selling USA made now.

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: JetStar
The small town of Huntington, Indiana (just down the road from me, population 17,500) will loose 700 jobs over the next two years when Utec (United Technologies) closes and moves to Mexico. They build the electronics for Carrier. I recently spoke with an engineer that worked there recently. He said that the site's lean manufacturing initiatives were keeping them competitive with Mexico and China and that they had recently moved work back into the facility due to quality problems at the offshore facilities. The reason Utec gave for the work transfer was that it allowed them to be closer to their customers.
Year over Year this once strong manufacturing community looses jobs to Mexico, typical of small towns across the rust belt. How much is enough? How many jobs can you take out of a community before it dries up and blows away? In it's heyday in the from the 60's through the 90's this town was thriving with many stores, auto, motorcycle, boat dealers, etc... The population was employed, and had disposable income. It's all gone now. This micro-economy seems to represent a story all to familiar. When the jobs go, it drags everything down with it.


You just described Michigan. Back in the 50s and 60s, MI was the most thriving state in the country. Businesses and homes were going up everywhere. Now, you drive through the state and all you see are boarded up business buildings and abandoned homes. It's really sickening to see what outsourcing has done to this once great country...

 

[chiefsfan1]

Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel
Well the greed just keeps on growing, United Technologies
which owns Carrier A/C (also produce units under the Trane brand and some others) is moving ALL production AND distribution to
Mexico in the next couple of years.

I'm going to call their corporate offices on Monday and let them know that I will NEVER be buying a product they produce outside of the USA again, and I'll be telling everyone I know also to NOT buy their products.



If you call Monday no one may be there. Its a Federal Holiday, Presidents Day.
I work for a financial institution and we are off.

I agree though, that is SO stupid for them to move and all those workers just lost their jobs. How do you work when you know your job will be gone in a year or so?

 

[simple_gifts]

Quote:

If you call Monday no one may be there. Its a Federal Holiday, Presidents Day.
I work for a financial institution and we are off.


No manufacturing place I ever worked recognizes this; MLK day, Presidents Day, Washington's Birthday are all "non holidays" for anyone outside of banking and gov't.

 

[Mr Nice]

Originally Posted By: JetStar
The small town of Huntington, Indiana (just down the road from me, population 17,500) will loose 700 jobs over the next two years when Utec (United Technologies) closes and moves to Mexico. They build the electronics for Carrier. I recently spoke with an engineer that worked there recently. He said that the site's lean manufacturing initiatives were keeping them competitive with Mexico and China and that they had recently moved work back into the facility due to quality problems at the offshore facilities. The reason Utec gave for the work transfer was that it allowed them to be closer to their customers.
Year over Year this once strong manufacturing community looses jobs to Mexico, typical of small towns across the rust belt. How much is enough? How many jobs can you take out of a community before it dries up and blows away? In it's heyday in the from the 60's through the 90's this town was thriving with many stores, auto, motorcycle, boat dealers, etc... The population was employed, and had disposable income. It's all gone now. This micro-economy seems to represent a story all to familiar. When the jobs go, it drags everything down with it.


Look what happened to American Axle and manufacturing moved to Mexico. Even if the employees wanted to take major cuts in pay and benefits, the factories would still be shut down.

 

[Bluestream]

Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Originally Posted By: JetStar
The small town of Huntington, Indiana (just down the road from me, population 17,500) will loose 700 jobs over the next two years when Utec (United Technologies) closes and moves to Mexico. They build the electronics for Carrier. I recently spoke with an engineer that worked there recently. He said that the site's lean manufacturing initiatives were keeping them competitive with Mexico and China and that they had recently moved work back into the facility due to quality problems at the offshore facilities. The reason Utec gave for the work transfer was that it allowed them to be closer to their customers.
Year over Year this once strong manufacturing community looses jobs to Mexico, typical of small towns across the rust belt. How much is enough? How many jobs can you take out of a community before it dries up and blows away? In it's heyday in the from the 60's through the 90's this town was thriving with many stores, auto, motorcycle, boat dealers, etc... The population was employed, and had disposable income. It's all gone now. This micro-economy seems to represent a story all to familiar. When the jobs go, it drags everything down with it.


Look what happened to American Axle and manufacturing moved to Mexico. Even if the employees wanted to take major cuts in pay and benefits, the factories would still be shut down.




Let me ask you this: If the US/Mexico trade deficit was zero, would that be acceptable? I mean if Mexico bought the same amount of goods from the US as it sold to the US, would that be fair?

 

[hatt]

Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: Bluestream
Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: hatt
rump's products are made outside of the US. We know he isn't going to tax himself.

Examples, proof?


Trump's clothing line is made in China


I didn't even know he had a clothing line, his current gear on the website is all USA made.
No matter, even if he did at least he is selling USA made now.
I seriously doubt he has changed COO since October when this stuff came up. His site links to Amazon. I clicked. Suits say Made in USA and imported. LOL. Maybe being sold in the USA counts as made in USA. Recent reviews say made in Mexico. I looked at eyeglasses. Lovingly handcrafted in China by workers at least 8 years of age. Trump is an idiot. Anyone who believes his nonsense, well...

Edit. I mean serious. This is the guy that uses bankruptcies as business strategies. Goodness. He's the poster child of bad business practices.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/mela...was-made-mexico

EXCITING OPPORTUNITY!!!! BRIDGE FOR SALE!!! ONE OWNER!!!!!!!! DONT MISS OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[CT8]

This is the guy that uses bankruptcies as business strategies. Goodness. He's the poster child of bad business practices. [/quote] So is GM and Chrysler though the taxpayers bailed them out. people are still buy their products. Look at the airlines etc. How many people overpaid or bought houses they couldn't afford and lost then during the 2008 problem?

 

[hatt]

Originally Posted By: CT8
So is GM and Chrysler though the taxpayers bailed them out. people are still buy their products. Look at the airlines etc. How many people overpaid or bought houses they couldn't afford and lost then during the 2008 problem?
Not sure of your point. We're talking about Trump. Bankruptcy, foreclosure, etc should be last resorts. Not built into your business plan. All Trump talks about is about how he's a winner. Real world shows he loses. A lot. Investors and taxpayers always take the hit however. Not Trump, so it's win for him. He's everything that's wrong with our system.

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: hatt
Trump is an idiot.


While this may be true, people like Clinton and Sanders make Trump look like a genius...

 

[hatt]

Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: hatt
Trump is an idiot.


While this may be true, people like Clinton and Sanders make Trump look like a genius...
Explain? Trump = Clinton. Both are cronies. The Clintons have made like $100 mil on speeches in the last decade. Pretty good work if you can get it. Trump would be a nobody if not for his father's money and influence. Hills and the Donald are pretty similar.

 

[Vern_in_IL]

Quote:


I agree though, that is SO stupid for them to move and all those workers just lost their jobs. How do you work when you know your job will be gone in a year or so?


...and there is this-THIS:
Quote:

According a new computer model, a total of nearly seven million additional Mexicans could emigrate to the U.S. by 2080 as a result of reduced crop yields brought about by a hotter, drier climate—assuming other factors influencing immigration remain unchanged.


"The model shows that climate-driven refugees could be a big deal in the future," said study co-author Michael Oppenheimer, an atmospheric scientist at Princeton University in New Jersey.


Do you not see it? We are moving factories to Mexico, so Mexicans won't move here! Transforming Mexico into less of a farmer economy.

As Milton Freidan said:

There is one and only one social responsibility of business – to use its resources and engage in activities designed to increase its profits so long as it stays within the rules of the game, which is to say, engages in open and free competition without deception or fraud."

 

[GiveMeAVowel]

Except, the Mexicans and other hispanics keep coming those jobs are still not enough to stem the tide, only strict border and enforcement will stop them from entering. I say mine the border at the surface and below.

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: hatt
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: hatt
Trump is an idiot.


While this may be true, people like Clinton and Sanders make Trump look like a genius...
Explain? Trump = Clinton. Both are cronies. The Clintons have made like $100 mil on speeches in the last decade. Pretty good work if you can get it. Trump would be a nobody if not for his father's money and influence. Hills and the Donald are pretty similar.


Both Trump and Clinton are cronies, but one is very progressive and wants to continue the gov handouts, while the other wants to bring jobs back to the U.S. and do away with the need for gov handouts...

 

[Joe1]

If all manufacturers assembled in the US and had a patterned collective bargaining agreement, all would be good as it was for the automakers until the Japanese set up shop in the US in the 80s.

Globalization is a reality and only the strongest survive. Life was much simpler 40 years ago.

 

[Trav]

Originally Posted By: hatt
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: hatt
Trump is an idiot.


While this may be true, people like Clinton and Sanders make Trump look like a genius...
Explain? Trump = Clinton. Both are cronies. The Clintons have made like $100 mil on speeches in the last decade. Pretty good work if you can get it. Trump would be a nobody if not for his father's money and influence. Hills and the Donald are pretty similar.

Big difference on all levels. He isn't facing possible indictment for crimes against the country that cost people their lives and looking at a possible jail sentence.
The other candidate on that side is a gaslight socialist who should have run for office in the USSR, the only problem there is the Russians gave up on the system he wants to bring to the USA.

The moon bats are in shock and terrified, their agenda's are going to be tossed in the garbage as they should have been years ago and there isn't a thing they can do about it.

 

[hatt]

Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: hatt
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: hatt
Trump is an idiot.


While this may be true, people like Clinton and Sanders make Trump look like a genius...
Explain? Trump = Clinton. Both are cronies. The Clintons have made like $100 mil on speeches in the last decade. Pretty good work if you can get it. Trump would be a nobody if not for his father's money and influence. Hills and the Donald are pretty similar.


Both Trump and Clinton are cronies, but one is very progressive and wants to continue the gov handouts, while the other wants to bring jobs back to the U.S. and do away with the need for gov handouts...
Trumps wants universal healthcare. Not sure where you're getting your info.

 

[hatt]

Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: hatt
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: hatt
Trump is an idiot.


While this may be true, people like Clinton and Sanders make Trump look like a genius...
Explain? Trump = Clinton. Both are cronies. The Clintons have made like $100 mil on speeches in the last decade. Pretty good work if you can get it. Trump would be a nobody if not for his father's money and influence. Hills and the Donald are pretty similar.

Big difference on all levels. He isn't facing possible indictment for crimes against the country that cost people their lives and looking at a possible jail sentence.
The other candidate on that side is a gaslight socialist who should have run for office in the USSR, the only problem there is the Russians gave up on the system he wants to bring to the USA.

The moon bats are in shock and terrified, their agenda's are going to be tossed in the garbage as they should have been years ago and there isn't a thing they can do about it.

Because one is even worst doesn't make the other good. Get past the lesser of two evils and support quality.