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#3206529 - 12/04/13 07:17 PM Re: Tail lights - a rant [Re: jeepman3071]
yonyon Offline


Registered: 03/06/12
Posts: 3492
Loc: NJ, USA
Originally Posted By: jeepman3071

I never understood the "blacked out lights" look. Given how many accidents are caused by people not paying attention, I would want people to be able to see my brake lights as much as possible.


It's a fashion statement. The statement is "I have lots of money and no idea what to do with it so I tried spending some of it to drive around in a broken car." It's the same thought process that motivates so many people to buy a Jaguar.

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#3206574 - 12/04/13 07:53 PM Re: Tail lights - a rant [Re: yonyon]
JetStar Offline


Registered: 10/02/08
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In the last few years I have noticed more cars with tail light issues than what I remember. We have discussed that here before.
As for tinted tail lights, I figure the more visible they are, the less chance you have of getting blasted in the rear-end. So no thanks for me.
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#3206598 - 12/04/13 08:10 PM Re: Tail lights - a rant [Re: jeepman3071]
TallPaul Offline


Registered: 10/22/03
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If my tail lights burn out I'll only get hit by a guy who has no head lights because I put conspicuity tape on the back bumper and does that stuff ever light up when headlights hit it! Each strip is silver and red reflective. I trimmed the silver part to fit my bumper:
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#3206962 - 12/05/13 07:24 AM Re: Tail lights - a rant [Re: Dave Sherman]
grampi Offline


Registered: 10/08/06
Posts: 4564
Loc: OH
Originally Posted By: Dave Sherman
Originally Posted By: grampi

But DRLs don't turn off when the headlights are on...they should, hence the "D" in DRLs...


They do turn off when headlights are on. They are on when headlights are off. As you said, hence the "D" in DRLs, which stands for "Daytime".

The Daytime Running Lights are sometimes seen at night on vehicles where an inattentive driver forgot to turn on the appropriate lighting system, namely the Nighttime Running Lights, better known as "headlights". This could easily be done on a vehicle such as a Honda CR-V, a fairly popular vehicle, which has well-lighted dashboard instruments which are illuminated regardless of whether the headlight switch is turned to the "on" position or not, i.e., they are also illuminated when the Daytime Running Lights are on and the headlights are off. Somebody such as myself might not quickly notice that the headlights are not on since the dashboard lights are well lit, whereas on a vehicle such as a 1977 MG Midget where the dashboard light are completely dark when the headlights are off, it is much more obvious.

All clear?


Not true...I see vehicles driving at night all the time with both their headlights and DRLs on...

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#3206992 - 12/05/13 07:54 AM Re: Tail lights - a rant [Re: jeepman3071]
supton Offline


Registered: 11/09/08
Posts: 6587
Loc: NH
Huh? DRL's usually (usually!) use the headlights; sometimes it's a parking lamp. But since both headlight and parking lamp circuits are on with the headlights I'm not sure how you can have DRL and headlight on--since it's the same bulb... ?
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#3207009 - 12/05/13 08:25 AM Re: Tail lights - a rant [Re: grampi]
Dave Sherman Offline


Registered: 01/03/06
Posts: 821
Loc: Ohio
Originally Posted By: grampi


Not true...I see vehicles driving at night all the time with both their headlights and DRLs on...


Foglights, maybe. I see foglights and DRLs frequently when people only turn on their parking lights. Not headlights though, they cancel DRLs.
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#3207034 - 12/05/13 08:53 AM Re: Tail lights - a rant [Re: Dave Sherman]
rslifkin Offline


Registered: 06/27/10
Posts: 2322
Loc: Stamford, CT / Rochester, NY
Originally Posted By: Dave Sherman
Originally Posted By: grampi


Not true...I see vehicles driving at night all the time with both their headlights and DRLs on...


Foglights, maybe. I see foglights and DRLs frequently when people only turn on their parking lights. Not headlights though, they cancel DRLs.


Not all headlights cancel DRLs. If the DRL is an LED strip or other separate light, they often stay on with the headlights.
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#3207058 - 12/05/13 09:12 AM Re: Tail lights - a rant [Re: jeepman3071]
eljefino Offline


Registered: 06/15/03
Posts: 26898
Loc: ME
Co-irker got a new Vibe in 2003. First of the model run. Had DRLs, auto headlights, and always-lit dash, for fashion. Turns out the auto-headlights were turning themselves on when going under bridges and creating a safety hazard by signalling to 18 wheelers that it was okay to pull in, etc. We pulled the wire to the electric eye, disabling the auto-headlight feature.

Now it's entirely possible to jump in and take off by the dim light of DRLs. The auto-headlights are an obvious reaction to this.

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#3207384 - 12/05/13 02:07 PM Re: Tail lights - a rant [Re: JetStar]
jeepman3071 Offline


Registered: 04/15/10
Posts: 2059
Loc: Storrs, Connecticut
Originally Posted By: JetStar
In the last few years I have noticed more cars with tail light issues than what I remember. We have discussed that here before.
As for tinted tail lights, I figure the more visible they are, the less chance you have of getting blasted in the rear-end. So no thanks for me.


I've noticed a lot of newer cars with tail lights (and headlights) out. Cars that are only a few years old and shouldn't have burned out bulbs. I've seen a lot of newer GM trucks with a headlight out on one side, and newer Ford trucks with a non-functioning top brake light.
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#3207386 - 12/05/13 02:10 PM Re: Tail lights - a rant [Re: TallPaul]
jeepman3071 Offline


Registered: 04/15/10
Posts: 2059
Loc: Storrs, Connecticut
Originally Posted By: TallPaul
If my tail lights burn out I'll only get hit by a guy who has no head lights because I put conspicuity tape on the back bumper and does that stuff ever light up when headlights hit it! Each strip is silver and red reflective. I trimmed the silver part to fit my bumper:


Those reflective strips are definitely helpful. I have them on the rear of my trailer, as well as on the rear of my tractor for when I snow-blow driveways. I plan to add an LED light on the rear, since the tractor only came with forward facing lights.
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#3207672 - 12/05/13 05:58 PM Re: Tail lights - a rant [Re: jeepman3071]
antiqueshell Offline


Registered: 03/02/12
Posts: 5133
Loc: chicago, Illinois
Regardless traffic regulations in most all states require that signal, stop and tail lights MUST be operational at all times while driving on public roads.

I noticed around here where I live that plenty of folks have all the lights working....Exxxxxxxxcept...the license plate lamps.
I'm sure it is not a case of sloppiness, or lack of awareness, it is DELIBERATE to avoid allowing the authorities to identify a vehicle from a distance...most likely drug traffickers...
I have noticed that the state police are filling in the gap where the county sheriff's dept seems to be too busy to bother citing these idiots.

Bottom line is that there should be higher fines for failing to take personal responsibility for making sure your vehicle is in good operating condition.


Edited by antiqueshell (12/05/13 05:59 PM)

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#3207705 - 12/05/13 06:26 PM Re: Tail lights - a rant [Re: yonyon]
Klutch9 Offline


Registered: 01/07/09
Posts: 2060
Loc: Rochester, MI, US, World
Originally Posted By: yonyon
Originally Posted By: jeepman3071

I never understood the "blacked out lights" look. Given how many accidents are caused by people not paying attention, I would want people to be able to see my brake lights as much as possible.


It's a fashion statement. The statement is "I have lots of money and no idea what to do with it so I tried spending some of it to drive around in a broken car." It's the same thought process that motivates so many people to buy a Jaguar.


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#3207821 - 12/05/13 07:52 PM Re: Tail lights - a rant [Re: antiqueshell]
css9450 Offline


Registered: 01/03/04
Posts: 1724
Loc: Glen Ellyn, IL
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
I noticed around here where I live that plenty of folks have all the lights working....Exxxxxxxxcept...the license plate lamps.
I'm sure it is not a case of sloppiness, or lack of awareness, it is DELIBERATE to avoid allowing the authorities to identify a vehicle from a distance...most likely drug traffickers...


Really?

I bet 90% of them are unawares that they're burned out. Maybe even more.

I've had license plate lamps burn out and its always be some coincidence that I even notice. I check my other taillights often - the aforementioned back-up-to-a-store-window method - but the tiny license plate lamps are hard to see via that method. And when they [i]do[i/] burn out, many cars have them installed using tiny Phillips screws that strip easily if they're rusted. So replacing them can be easier said than done.

On the other hand though, I once got "profiled" and was pulled over and had my vehicle searched on a phony burned-out license plate lamp charge.

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#3208017 - 12/05/13 11:00 PM Re: Tail lights - a rant [Re: antiqueshell]
jeepman3071 Offline


Registered: 04/15/10
Posts: 2059
Loc: Storrs, Connecticut
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Regardless traffic regulations in most all states require that signal, stop and tail lights MUST be operational at all times while driving on public roads.

I noticed around here where I live that plenty of folks have all the lights working....Exxxxxxxxcept...the license plate lamps.
I'm sure it is not a case of sloppiness, or lack of awareness, it is DELIBERATE to avoid allowing the authorities to identify a vehicle from a distance...most likely drug traffickers...
I have noticed that the state police are filling in the gap where the county sheriff's dept seems to be too busy to bother citing these idiots.

Bottom line is that there should be higher fines for failing to take personal responsibility for making sure your vehicle is in good operating condition.


Around here we have those guys who "tint" their plates. They put a darker plastic cover over the plate giving it a gray tint which makes it harder to read. These idiots often have dark tinted windows and tail lights as well.
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#3208031 - 12/05/13 11:19 PM Re: Tail lights - a rant [Re: jeepman3071]
Klutch9 Offline


Registered: 01/07/09
Posts: 2060
Loc: Rochester, MI, US, World
My solution to people who have tail/brake lights out or tinted tail lights: pass them or let another car in between you and them. I'm a very attentive and cautious driver, but I'm not going to chance running into you because half of your indicating bulbs don't work or can't hardly be seen.
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