Wounded Vets

[Mystic]

Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: InhalingBullets
Originally Posted By: skyactiv
I'm growing tired of soldier worship.


Political leanings aside...It is not about worship, it is about Honoring the sacrifice they made for their country. Whether they sacrificed their life, marriage, fatherhood, bodily or mental health they have earned and deserve our gratitude and respect.


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+3 I have been very busy and I have not posted for ten days or so. My father served in the Army in WWII. My uncle served in the Navy in WWII. I have a cousin who was in the Marines in Vietnam. And my oldest sister served 20 years in the Army. These people, all of the people who served their country, deserve respect.

Even a socialist should be able to understand what would have happened if soldiers had not fought the Nazis in WWII. And in wars that were unpopular, like Vietnam, the soldiers did their jobs. If you did not believe in the war, blame the politicians.

Some people here are openly displaying disrespect towards the people who have served their country. They can. It is free speech. But they can live with themselves and I do not respect them.

Some people say we should have a 'pit' here with no moderator intervention and everybody allowed to say what they want to say. I expect to be attacked by the 'flash mob' for the comments I have made here. So where is my free speech if I do get attacked? Or maybe they will attack me at their hate site. At their hate site where they can stereotype people, attack people personally, and publish all kinds of nonsense about people who they do not like and whose views they do not like, and hide behind 'anonymous.'

 

[dishdude]

Originally Posted By: Mystic

Some people say we should have a 'pit' here with no moderator intervention and everybody allowed to say what they want to say. I expect to be attacked by the 'flash mob' for the comments I have made here. So where is my free speech if I do get attacked? Or maybe they will attack me at their hate site. At their hate site where they can stereotype people, attack people personally, and publish all kinds of nonsense about people who they do not like and whose views they do not like, and hide behind 'anonymous.'


You have mentioned being attacked in several posts, and I have never witnessed any such thing occur on this site.

 

[Mystic]

Really? And you keep that good of watch on me? Where are the others? They should be coming soon. Or maybe they will attack me at the hate site, where they can hide behind 'anonymous.'

I will stand up for my father, my uncle, my oldest sister, my cousin, a man I heard served in the Civil War who was a relative. I will stand for them who served their country no matter how I am attacked because those people who served deserve my support for them. I will stand up for the people who served no matter what kind of trash talk there is at the hate site or here. The trash talk here or at the hate side is nothing compared to what the soldiers went through.

 

[Benito]

War is terrible. For soldiers (except some who unfortunately enjoy it) and it's even worse for innocent civilians who can't defend themselves.

The day to day problems in our first world lives are nothing compared to the horror of war that many people are living with now or have to live with.

 

[Plumber]

Originally Posted By: Mystic
Really? And you keep that good of watch on me? Where are the others? They should be coming soon. Or maybe they will attack me at the hate site, where they can hide behind 'anonymous.'

I will stand up for my father, my uncle, my oldest sister, my cousin, a man I heard served in the Civil War who was a relative. I will stand for them who served their country no matter how I am attacked because those people who served deserve my support for them. I will stand up for the people who served no matter what kind of trash talk there is at the hate site or here. The trash talk here or at the hate side is nothing compared to what the soldiers went through.


I will stand with you as well.

 

[uc50ic4more]

Originally Posted By: Mystic
So where is my free speech if I do get attacked?


Your free speech, if you are attacked, is and will remain right where it has always been; as healthy and robust as ever. "Free speech" does not mean you can say whatever you want - especially publicly - without others invoking their right to same. It also does not mean you can say whatever you want in private venues such as privately-owned message boards like this one or the "attack hate blog" you keep driving massive amounts of traffic to.

Speech, and the typed words here on these silly web pages have absolutely no meaning apart from that you endow them with.

Originally Posted By: Mystic
I will stand up for my father, my uncle, my oldest sister, my cousin, a man I heard served in the Civil War who was a relative.


See? You're not standing up with anyone or for anything. You typed words into a web page in opposition to someone else who anonymously typed some words into a web page.

It'd be a pretty slow message forum if everything held the same beliefs and values. Difference and diversity are good, and inevitable.

 

[Doog]

Originally Posted By: skyactiv
I'm growing tired of soldier worship.


Maybe...but are you growing tired of sleeping safely and quietly at night?

 

[Mystic]

I am not asking for anybody to have the same viewpoints and values that I have. I am saying that the people who served in the military and are serving today should be respected. I don't think that is asking too much. Even in wars that were unpopular, like Vietnam, the soldiers did what they were told to do. Many of the soldiers in Vietnam were drafted. They had no say. But we have people here who say the soldiers deserve no respect. The firemen okay. Not the soldiers.

I understand at the hate site they are going to trash what I say. I see nothing wrong with what I say. The cowards at moribundman's hate site can hide behind 'anonymous' and say whatever they are going to say. According to what I have heard there are only two there who have the courage to use their bobistheoilguy.com user names-one current member and one former member.

According to what I am hearing at their hate site they attacked me big time for what I said. The flash mob here didn't show up-at least yet. I guess it would be too obvious. I understand basic anarchist tactics.

We often have people who are from other countries here who put down the US military. I am not saying you did that. But I have seen it happen. Does somebody from Canada respect what Canadian soldiers did in WWII? Does somebody from Canada respect Canadian soldiers?

 

[Mr Nice]

Doog,

Maybe some folks would be happier if the USA had Somalia type living conditions with warlords running the country and lawlessness ?

 

[Malo83]

Originally Posted By: skyactiv
I'm growing tired of soldier worship.

Tired of ignorance and stupidity,

 

[dishdude]

Originally Posted By: skyactiv
I'm growing tired of soldier worship.


I can understand this fatigue. We've put a number of professions on a pedestal and I am not saying they don't deserve respect, but at some points it seems like it goes a bit far.

There are other professions that are just as important that seem to be completely ignored.

 

[uc50ic4more]

Originally Posted By: Mystic
I am not asking for anybody to have the same viewpoints and values that I have.


It kinda sounds like you are: Your very next sentence is...

Originally Posted By: Mystic
I am saying that the people who served in the military and are serving today should be respected.


"Should"? And what happens if (and when) others do not think and feel the way you think they "should"?

Originally Posted By: Mystic
We often have people who are from other countries here who put down the US military.


That sure seems to be a common pattern throughout the rest of the world.

Originally Posted By: Mystic
I am not saying you did that. But I have seen it happen. Does somebody from Canada respect what Canadian soldiers did in WWII? Does somebody from Canada respect Canadian soldiers?


I have a tremendous amount of respect for those who have served in any military capacity. I also respect those who don't respect those who have served. I could NOT respect those who think differently than I; but I would only be causing myself suffering, not them... And to what end? Some people in Canada think one way, others think in a polar opposite way; just like everywhere else in the world. Typing words into a web page changes none of that.

Originally Posted By: Mystic
But we have people here who say the soldiers deserve no respect.


So what? And what do you intend to do about it if someone thinks the "wrong" thing, as you define "wrong"? Fix them? Force them? Type more words into a web page?

Originally Posted By: Mystic
According to what I am hearing at their hate site they attacked me big time for what I said.


They have some fun with you over there at that site that I and most others had never heard of until you mentioned it here. Their vitriol is more a reflection of their own selves than you and I'd suggest you concern yourself over being the best member here you can be and not worry so much about what whomever runs that site over there thinks you "should" do (there's that word "should" again!). I do have to ask, though: Are you familiar with "The Streisand Effect"? (EDIT: I saved you some Googling - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect)

 

[Mystic]

I appreciate the support I have received here from American veterans and others. I don't think I said anything wrong. One guy here said it was okay to respect firemen but not soldiers. I wanted to ask him him-did you have any relatives who served in the military? Or maybe he came to the USA from some other country. Most people I know had somebody from their family who served in the military. Saying people who served in the military deserve no respect is almost like saying your own family members deserve no respect.

And how can a soldier who was drafted during the Vietnam War deserve no respect? He did not even volunteer and reported and served because he was drafted. I was nearly drafted myself. I was 1A for a while.

How can any soldier who fought against the Nazis in WWII, regardless if that soldier was American, British, or Canadian, or whatever, be disrespected? Was it not a good thing for the Nazis to be defeated?

It should be easy for somebody who can think logically that what I am saying is basic truth

Now I support free speech and somebody can hate the American military if they want. But I don't have to respect them. And I don't.

I defused the flash mob so they attacked me hiding behind 'anonymous' at moribundman's hate site. What sort of low life has a hate site anyway? And what sort of low life is a member at a hate site?

 

[uc50ic4more]

Originally Posted By: Mystic
It should be easy for somebody who can think logically that what I am saying is basic truth


Anyone who can think logically knows the difference between opinion and fact. You thinking some group of people deserve everyone's respect is an opinion; as evidenced by the repeated use of the word "should".

Originally Posted By: Mystic
Now I support free speech and somebody can hate the American military if they want. But I don't have to respect them. And I don't.


So in summary: Others think things differently from what you think, and you do not respect them because they do so and feel they should change their thinking to abide by what you think they should think. You have chosen to voice that lack of respect on an internet message forum. Still, those who do not think as you think they should think still think as you think they should not think. And all of that thinking and typing words into web pages existed only on silly web pages and in the minds of those perceiving these things.

Are you sure you wouldn't be happier coming back to the Computers section and just arguing with us about Linux and chatting about photography? That seemed pretty light-weight.

 

[surfstar]

Look out your window - the real world is calling and it is saying that nothing that is said in this or the "other" forum (whatever that is) actually matters.

Whew.

 

[uc50ic4more]

Originally Posted By: surfstar
Look out your window - the real world is calling


I have heard its call before; but it never mentions anything about motor oil.

 

[surfstar]

Originally Posted By: uc50ic4more
Originally Posted By: surfstar
Look out your window - the real world is calling


I have heard its call before; but it never mentions anything about motor oil.


Blasphemer! That IS the most important thing, of course.

Which oil? Which filter? For how long? Talk about opinions...

 

[Benito]

Originally Posted By: uc50ic4more
So in summary: Others think things differently from what you think, and you do not respect them because they do so and feel they should change their thinking to abide by what you think they should think. You have chosen to voice that lack of respect on an internet message forum. Still, those who do not think as you think they should think still think as you think they should not think. And all of that thinking and typing words into web pages existed only on silly web pages and in the minds of those perceiving these things.


My head hurts.

 

[dishdude]

Did I just witness an attack from the flash mob?

 

[Andy636]

Originally Posted By: Mystic
I have been very busy and I have not posted for ten days or so. My father served in the Army in WWII. My uncle served in the Navy in WWII. I have a cousin who was in the Marines in Vietnam. And my oldest sister served 20 years in the Army. These people, all of the people who served their country, deserve respect.

Even a socialist should be able to understand what would have happened if soldiers had not fought the Nazis in WWII. And in wars that were unpopular, like Vietnam, the soldiers did their jobs. If you did not believe in the war, blame the politicians.

Some people here are openly displaying disrespect towards the people who have served their country. They can. It is free speech. But they can live with themselves and I do not respect them.

Some people say we should have a 'pit' here with no moderator intervention and everybody allowed to say what they want to say. I expect to be attacked by the 'flash mob' for the comments I have made here. So where is my free speech if I do get attacked? Or maybe they will attack me at their hate site. At their hate site where they can stereotype people, attack people personally, and publish all kinds of nonsense about people who they do not like and whose views they do not like, and hide behind 'anonymous.'


Not to be disrespectful, but what would of happened if the US troops would of not fight in Vietnam in your opinion?

If that never happened the US would of have :

58,209 less killed soldiers
153,303 less wounded
2,489 less MIA

and the results would of still be the same...