Oil for VW 2.0T??

[ssaffioti]

Hello, this is my first post!

With the new TSB issued by VW/Audi about high-pressure fuel pump camshaft lobe and follower wear, and the low wear numbers for other metals, is it a relatively safe bet that the high iron is due to camshaft wear (and all other parts of the engine are wearing normally)?

Also, are the high levels of iron typically found in the analysis something to be concerned about as far as causing wear on other internal parts of the engine?

I have 15k miles so far, I haven't done an oil analysis but have gotten all my oil changes done at the dealership in 5k intervals. I believe they used Syntec 5w-40 for the first two changes, and Castrol SLX Professional OE 5w-30 for this last change... an oil I don't know anything about.

It is disappointing to have to worry about possibly having to replace the camshaft, but if mine is indeed wearing I would hope that the damage is isolated to the cam (and pump) and that the rest of the engine should still be good for 250k+ miles. (It's tradition for our family to get high mileage out of our cars, and typically we've used ____ dino oils at 3k intervals)

 

[agpatel]

Hey ssaffioti my car is actually at the dealer right now hopefully getting its cam shaft and fuel roller replaced bc i think it was shot...

i am using MOTUl and its good other then Fe(from cam) i would look into the oil Terry Dyson and RLI formulated for the FSI in the RS4 i am going to do a base fun w/ normal motul for 3k then change it to the RLI formula and see what i get...

 

[VeeDubb]

Yep. If I owned a new FSI turbo, I would hire Terry Dyson to sort this engine out. The fuel dilution problems and high wear is a major reason why I did not trade my 02 in for an 07 earlier this year when I had a killer deal on the table from my VW dealer.

 

[ssaffioti]

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i am using MOTUl and its good other then Fe(from cam)

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So what you are saying, is that while the cam is indeed wearing, nothing else in the engine seems to be wearing down on account of the high iron levels?

I've already assumed that someday the cam will have to be replaced -- either under warranty or not -- but what I am worried about is whether or not I will have engine compression issues or other worn components due to the iron in the oil. Comments?

 

[agpatel]

i have little wear in some areas but i am getting the issue delt w/....you can not get the cam looked it (takes about a hr to pull the high pressure fuel pump look @ the cam follower and the cam lobes) and just get it replaced now or you can do it later w/ performance cams...(some out now dont know when they coming to the us)

But, i may just do a UOA every 5-10k and keep a eye on the wear maybe?

 

[RI_RS4]

There is a TSB on cam lobe wear for the fuel pump. That certainly is causing high FE wear. However, you can't assume that this the only source of FE without oil analysis. This engine has extremely high fuel dilution and will eat oil, bearings and chain drives, if it is not taken care of.

What works for the RS4 will most likely work here. If you are okay with using a non-approved oil, then the Renewable Lubricants 5W-40 Bio Synthetic Super High Performance oil developed for the RS4 FSI V8 should work well. I would also recommend that anyone with this engine use Terry's services to monitor engine wear and fuel dilution.

 

[HondaF1Fanatic]

Good god, reading this post makes me dislike VAG even more. When will they learn to design an car that works reliably for the every day user? So much for "German Engineered" superiority.

Jon

 

[Lonnie]

Go for the Super-secret RLI 5w-40 oil being developed by RI_RS4. Don't risk your car to crummy substandard oil.

 

[Thermo1223]

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Good god, reading this post makes me dislike VAG even more. When will they learn to design an car that works reliably for the every day user? So much for "German Engineered" superiority.

Jon

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Maybe when Honda builds an exciting one with torque?

Honestly VW's engines can last lifetimes just like BMW & Mercedes but only with spot on maintenance.

I tend to wonder as was the case for TDI's getting clogged intakes through babying and dirty fuel if our dirtier gasoline isn't affecting the engines somehow, causing incomplete burn or perhaps they run it rich to compensate for something we lack here in US gasoline.

EU never has these issues...I mean we already don't get the super lean burn mode on this and many other DI engines because of gasoline quality being variable out the wazoo.

 

[KieferS]

The 2 liter ABA in my car is THE best water cooled motor VW has designed.
IMO, it should be just as popular as the straight 4 from Jeep. It's JUST as reliable. These things are bullet proof..too bad everything else isn't

 

[Turbodriven]

Mobil 1 0w-40 or Motul Specific.

 

[VeeDubb]

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Good god, reading this post makes me dislike VAG even more. When will they learn to design an car that works reliably for the every day user? So much for "German Engineered" superiority.

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Maybe VAG quality control can get some tips from Acura/Honda transmission Q-control.

Seriously, though, the term German Engineering refers to driving dynamics not reliability. And at the end of the day, despite its problems, I'd take the 2.0T four banger over most Japanese sixes.

 

[buster]

Well, German engines are good test beds for oils. LOL. I've never seen a car maker demand so many oil specs. I do really like the looks/performance of German cars though.

How important is it to really follow the VW offical spec'd oils though? I'd rather run what works best and take the chance personally.

 

[Thermo1223]

Personally you could run whatever you want and have no issues but if you did they may deny warranty claims based on that fact alone.

My advice, talk to the local dealer tell them about your concerns and say you want to run this oil(while still being synthetic) because you know from previous use it gave you no issues in an engine.

See what their stand is, even bring up the fuel diluation issue.

The best thing is to get something in writting that you can use the oil you want if they go that far.

 

[ssaffioti]

I can't imagine a dealership service writer going out on a limb like that.... It's not going to happen. Situations like this make dealerships nervous because if they perform a repair under warranty, and submit the parts to VW for inspection, VW can refuse to pay the repair and the dealership will have to eat the cost.

 

[ssaffioti]

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Go for the Super-secret RLI 5w-40 oil being developed by RI_RS4. Don't risk your car to crummy substandard oil.

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This has probably been asked before, but what would it take to get VW/Audi to approve this oil? Just from what I read, it sounds like RI-RS4, Terry, etc. are really getting this figured out and I cannot believe that VAG wouldn't have an interest in this oil.

It seems like if we can get wear data in the hands of the right people, the oil wouldn't have a hard time piquing the interest of the engineers.

 

[agpatel]

prob somewhere around $2000-3000

 

[Lonnie]

A step in the right direction would be for VW/Audi to publish the 502 spec. It's not available except of course to the oil companies that want to supply such an oil as one of their products. It might get expensive if Audi admits there is a problem. From what I know about the Super-Secret oil, I would run it without fear in such an engine. This project is much more than pouring a bottle of into an existing but unknown oil formulation and driving around the block by yourself a few times. If you go back and read the posts you will find an absolutely incredible adventure unfolding. It's almost like porno for oil geeks. It's even better than that e-mail from Libya, "Please kind sir I need your help to transfer 28 million US Dollars out of my country".

 

[StoicDude]

Its going to be interesting to see what happens with the TFSI/ FSI engines and wear.
VW had issues with the Passat 1.8T engines and that left a really bad black eye on the company.

Hopefully they will figure the FSI problem out before it really develops into a monster, which of course is our love of litigation.

I am 99% sure that there is no chance to get the RS4 oil approved for VWs, just on the fact that big oil companies will make sure it does not happen.

It would be a great thing to do from VW, but big money always determines the outcome.

Maybe that SLX OE 5w-30 will be doing its job, or VW dealers might be able to get some Euro oils that have the newer standards, such as 504 00, 507 00.

 

[Gilitar]

Reading this has made me realize I won't be buying another VW. I had an 06 GLI that I loved, but VW just can't seem to build a reliable car. Man I really wanted a diesel, but that is looking less and less likely to happen.