Dog Bite

[IndyIan]

Originally Posted By: stockrex
Originally Posted By: Lolvoguy
Originally Posted By: donnyj08
I Don't trust anyone's dog. If I go anywhere where someone has one that isn't super tiny I ask them to secure it while I'm there.

I don't hate dogs, but I refuse to be bitten by one. If the owner places the dogs freedom over human life then they are crazy and are no friend of mine.

This,
what if I got a pet tiger, and after 10 years of being a good pet, it ate your youngest son/daughter.

who would you blame?

With certain breeds that's almost how much I trust them with my kids around until proven otherwise. Too many people don't train their dogs and let them know who's boss and where the dog ranks in relation to people, and with a dangerous dog, that has big consequences...
Pitbulls are banned here in Ontario, as the typical owners I saw, seemed to irresponsible "tough guys" who got the dog for the kick they get when someone's afraid of it. We can't ban stupid people so I guess their dogs is the next best thing.

 

[zach1900]

Considering labs are the most popular breed in this country, dig a little deeper.

 

[zach1900]

Originally Posted By: artificialist
It is the owner, not the dog.

The only dogs that have ever bitten me were owned by crazy cat ladies. Some of them choose to have a chihuahua or mini poodle instead of cats.

I have met people who properly care for their bully breeds, and those dogs have zero behavior problems.

Sure, a chuaaua will do as much damage as a pit, what a dumb statement.

 

[zach1900]

Originally Posted By: barkingspider
There are more dog bites from Labrador retrievers than pit bulls. Just a FYI. Its not the dog breed, its the owner. Its not the tool, its the fool. Its not the arrow, its the indian. Its not the gun, its the idiot behind it.

And labs are also the most popular breed in America, by far, if percentages mean anything to you.

 

[zach1900]

Originally Posted By: barkingspider
Originally Posted By: madRiver
Originally Posted By: barkingspider
There are more dog bites from Labrador retrievers than pit bulls. Just a FYI. Its not the dog breed, its the owner. Its not the tool, its the fool. Its not the arrow, its the indian. Its not the gun, its the idiot behind it.


You mean total dog bites or %.


I read in a study years ago that 13% of dog bites were from labs vs 8% from pit bulls.
no sorry, it is the breed .

 

[BRZED]

Based on the name of the breed, I'd expect the chow chow to be the snappiest.

 

[zach1900]

I worked around dogs for about 10 years, let's just say I'd rather be around 500 grumpy labs and Goldens than one sweet pit, and those are also roughly the ratios of ownership of those two breeds, you do the math of probability.

 

[expat]

We don't know all the details of this incident yet.

Yesterday the kids (6 and 8) were sent over to our place while the husband went with hiswife to hospital.

The dog owneris NOT what you would call the stereotypical Pitbull owner.

 

[zach1900]

The dog is nice but bit somebody? Wow.

 

[GiveMeAVowel]

Originally Posted By: artificialist
It is the owner, not the dog.

The only dogs that have ever bitten me were owned by crazy cat ladies. Some of them choose to have a chihuahua or mini poodle instead of cats.

I have met people who properly care for their bully breeds, and those dogs have zero behavior problems.


Nope, it's the breed in the end. You and those other owners are wired to be blind to it because it is a co dependence relationship. No surprise that many addicts are attracted to this breed as well.
The scientific facts are that the pit breed was bred to fight, and have a massively strong jaw, a specific bite method that leads to more injury and deaths, and they never stop once they latch on.
Also statistically these dogs can appear to be good natured animals but unpredictably will "snap", and attack seemingly for NO good reason often times on their own owners.

It's truly fascinating that these pit people as I call them remind me of drug addicts, NOTHING will ever convince them when they are attached to the dog even when the dog viciously snaps suddenly and kills a loved one or even seriously injures them!. They will still defend the dog no matter what.

 

[expat]

We don't know all the details of this incident yet.

Yesterday the kids (6 and 8) were sent over to our place while the husband went with hiswife to hospital.

The dog owneris NOT what you would call the stereotypical Pitbull owner.

 

[dailydriver]

Originally Posted By: expat
The dog owneris NOT what you would call the stereotypical Pitbull owner.


You're saying he is NOT a; peckerwood hillbilly meth dealer, ghetto 'G' crack dealer, or a 'militia man' nutcase?

Yes, for that reason alone (besides them being bread as death machines) I would NEVER own one, no matter how "sweet" the disposition.

Two running loose locally just instantly killed a couple's little Maltese, as they were out walking it, before they could even pick it up and shield it.
Had the little thing's WHOLE head in it's mouth and just clamped down.
The husband said their Maltese's head was hanging on by just a thread, once the killers dropped their dog, and tore off after a man they spotted down the street.

Hopefully, the pitbulls' owner gets dragged through the coals for this.

 

[JOD]

Originally Posted By: zach1900
The dog is nice but bit somebody? Wow.


As a pitbull owner, I know enough not to get involved in internet stupidity about pitbulls. What I will say though is that LOTS of dog owner simply aren't able to look at their own dog's behavior objectively. A dog who's so protective that he's biting someone whom the owner is talking to is sadly a pretty good example of that phenomena.

Little dogs can actually do a surprising amount of damage--and their owners tend to be even more careless--but if you have a large powerful dog, of any breed, you need to understand your dogs temperament and act accordingly.

There's nothing magical or physics-defying about pitbull's "bite strength". A larger dog will bite harder, period. My ridgeback would inflict more damage than my pitbull--she's twice the size. She's also a lot more wary of strangers so I manage her a lot differently. ANY dog, and in particular a large, powerful dog, has to be managed by its owner, or it ends up poorly for everyone.

In my own case though, my pitbull is getting to the point where he could maybe gum someone to death, but that's about it. 11 years and he hasn't mauled any babies. He has however been bitten by 3 different dogs while out walking, each time by a dog being "cared for" a completely clueless owner...

 

[hemitom]

You can't train humans not to lash out!!! how do you expect to train a dog not to bite.. i like these people that claim that if its trained properly it will never bite and blame every one but the dog .. its an animal for gods sake you can never predict what it may or may not ever do.

just my two cents anyways

 

[expat]

The wifes husband went to see the dog owner last night on returning from the hospital, apparentlywith a couple of beers!

Both parties feel very bad about what happened, without warning in less than half a second.

The dog was calm and at the heel position when this happened.

I'm not sure who's property they were on when the incident happened, these are large, un-fenced lots.

There is no talk (so far) of litigation. But!

Wife is a recently qualified Dental technician. Dog owner is a Foreman for a Heavy equipment contractor.

Both young couples in their first homes.

All very sad!

 

[GiveMeAVowel]

Originally Posted By: dailydriver
Originally Posted By: expat
The dog owneris NOT what you would call the stereotypical Pitbull owner.


You're saying he is NOT a; peckerwood hillbilly meth dealer, ghetto 'G' crack dealer, or a 'militia man' nutcase?

Yes, for that reason alone (besides them being bread as death machines) I would NEVER own one, no matter how "sweet" the disposition.

Two running loose locally just instantly killed a couple's little Maltese, as they were out walking it, before they could even pick it up and shield it.
Had the little thing's WHOLE head in it's mouth and just clamped down.
The husband said their Maltese's head was hanging on by just a thread, once the killers dropped their dog, and tore off after a man they spotted down the street.

Hopefully, the pitbulls' owner gets dragged through the coals for this.


Also we need to have the laws change with regard to dogs at large as well, when an owner allows their dogs to run at large and they injure or kill another animal OR person the owner needs to be charged with assault and or murder, and if convicted serve a long sentence as well.

The fact is that many large, vicious dogs are living DEADLY WEAPONS.

 

[AlienBug]

Originally Posted By: barkingspider
There are more dog bites from Labrador retrievers than pit bulls. Just a FYI. Its not the dog breed, its the owner. Its not the tool, its the fool. Its not the arrow, its the indian. Its not the gun, its the idiot behind it.


And how many labrador fatalities?

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: barkingspider
There are more dog bites from Labrador retrievers than pit bulls. Just a FYI. Its not the dog breed, its the owner. Its not the tool, its the fool. Its not the arrow, its the indian. Its not the gun, its the idiot behind it.


Only thing is, living animals do have a brain that can't always be controlled by the owner - no matter how "well trained". Pit Bulls seem to "snap" easier than other breeds, and when they do it's not a pretty sight.

Tools, guns and arrows don't have brains, so they can be fully controlled, unlike animals.

 

[4wheeldog]

Originally Posted By: barkingspider
There are more dog bites from Labrador retrievers than pit bulls. Just a FYI. Its not the dog breed, its the owner. Its not the tool, its the fool. Its not the arrow, its the indian. Its not the gun, its the idiot behind it.


Yup. Except.......Very few labrador bites are fatal. Pits kill more people than all other breeds combined. Your logic is faulty.

 

[WANG]

Responsible breeding is important in all breeds, and just as important as responsible ownership. Dogs that do not display a steady, predictable, and even temperment should be spayed/neutered. They should actually be spayed/neutered as a matter of course if there is no intent to breed them. Breed banning is asinine.

I hope that lady heals well and quickly. Would this discussion be three pages and growing if the dog in question was anything other than a pitbull mix?