Originally Posted by Impatient
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
Originally Posted by Shrike9
Originally Posted by jbutch
I also have a TGDI and have tried multiple oils, including GF5, E6 HDEO and C3 oils.
Here is the post with the latest UOA (Mobil ESP) as well as prior UOAs.
The trend I'm seeing is that both Mobil ESP 5w-30 and Rotella Multi Vehicle 5w-30 had the best results by a good margin, they also are the only oils that stayed in the 30 grade, ALL of the GF5 oils sheared down to a 20 grade and had higher wear metals.
GF5 (Ressource Conserving SN) oils cannot have a HTHS of 3.5 and up for fuel economy reasons. E6 and C3 oils have a minimum of 3.5 HTHS and these TGDI seems to really like higher HTHS.
Right now, in the sump, I have Pennzoil Platinum Euro LX 0w-30 for the cold Canadian winter, great HTHS of at least 3.5 and easy to flow in cold temps
Rotella Multi vehicle
is SN Plus but both Mobil ESP and Pennzoil Platinum Euro LX 0w-30 has around 1700 ppm of calcium which is a tad more than the 1400 ppm limit for it to be SN Plus. But I still run it with confidence since it's close.
Keep in mind that the goal that GF5 and Ressource Conserving is mostly aiming for is fuel efficiency. ACEA C3 and E6 (dual rated) is mostly for less wear with a bit of a hit on MPG (very slightly).
The more I learn, the more I realize I don't know crap & am more befuzzled than ever in some aspects, but at least that's better in others and I've got a kindergarten level grasp of things lol
It's easy to get lost in this stuff. At the end of the day your truck will go 200k+ with any plain jane $22 per jug synthetic meeting the -B1 spec. Change at like 5-7k interval and you'll be just fine. The rest is really just splitting hairs. I'd probably use regular M1 myself, or maybe ESP if I planned on really being out on the trails a lot in hot weather or something. Other than that it's really overthinking it. The only thing I will add is I would probably avoid PP because for a 5w30, it is really thin, almost a 20 weight. Castrol, Valvoline, Mobil, QS, good to go.
Strike, I like the posts I just quoted here. I don't have a Raptor with gen2 motor, but I do have a 2015 3.5 EB. It seems to run fine, and is still under warranty (theoretically). Yet, the results of a UOA showed trouble brewing, and some advice I paid a real oil expert for convinced me to look beyond Motorcraft and Pennzoil. Unfortunately that expert isn't pointing me toward M1 or Castrol, or Valvoline either. The dealer shrugged, saying "no codes, and you say it runs fine?: so no Ford remediation."
If you really want to go down the rabbit hole, search on UOA's and VOA's, either by the oil you are interested in, or by the motor you have (for instance, you could search the UOA forum for 3.5EB Pennzoil Platinum...or maybe don't abbreviate EcoBoost). You'll read about TBN, viscosity, wear metals, etc; of course there will be a lot of BS. A lot! Rightly or wrongly, I've zoomed in on an oil's HTHS results, which are not in UOA's or VOA's, but sometimes in the oil's PDS (product data sheet); so you could also search on HTHS discussions or go to Castrol or Mobil's or Amsoil's (etc) PDS pages. I may be wrong but a turbo environment seems all about High Temp High Shear (HTHS). Latest oils struggle between protection and fuel economy. The industry specs appear to allow less-than-exceptional HTHS protection, in the search for an extra 0.2 mpg. I'm a tree hugger, so it pains me to say, scruuu the extra 0.2 mpg; but what's important is the health of your engine. Yes, most modern oils protect better than most 10 year old oil's, but more effort went into the fuel economy aspect. Don't go berserk and start modifying exhaust and removing cats (please), but realize there are oils which won't eff up your cats, provide superior protection against wear and crud, but exceed (in a so-called "bad" way) the limitations imposed by SN+ and Ford specs. So when an oil claims to "exceed" Ford specs, what exactly do they mean? Fortunately some of the oils folks here are recommending exceed in a good way.
If there were 4 used Raptors for sale, all driven the same miles and maintained via the same schedule, but one exclusively used Motorcraft, the 2nd used 5w30 M1, and the 3rd used Rotella MultiVehicle 5w30, the 4th used some euro oil (0w40 or M1 ESP for example), I would probably choose #3 or #4, least interested in #1...
all else being equal. Certain exceptions apply. Your mileage may vary.
Ok, now my eyes are bleeding after reading more and more about oil specifications & it's just opening the door for more questions and head scratching Lol
I really don't care about mpg in a truck, for me it's more about reducing wear/tear and such when out abusing the truck in stupid hot weather or pulling a semi out of a snow bank in sub zero temps.....