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I'm of the impression that Fram/Honeywell threatened legal action against him. They would not be beyond SLAPP behavior (strategic litigation against public participation). That's my assumption based on Fram getting the brunt of the criticism in his study. Just about everything else got a good mark for construction ..in spite of his comments in regard to nitrile ADBV's.

Hey, I do applaud the effort put into the study. Any pioneer will get pelted by stones. They're pioneers. It's always easy to follow their path and see where it may have been slightly flawed as opposed to trailblazing yourself.

We have the good fortune here to submit our "schools of thought" to a really punitive peer review. If you've left some stone unturned ..or attribute some "wish" of functionality (visions of The Brady Movie, "Well, we'll win ..because ..well, we're Brady's") ...there's someone here to call you out on it. You'll get spanked here and there are plenty of members to line up to do it just for the fun of it.

After all, we care
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Originally Posted By: mcrn
If I had to say one it would be Donaldson IMHO.


Yup, gotta agree with you there. That's what the Expy would be sporting if they made one for it. Though I have no complaints about Fleetguard.
 
Originally Posted By: postjeeprcr
Originally Posted By: SuperBusa
Originally Posted By: labman
Originally Posted By: daman
Anything but a FRAM-O-death or Escrap is usally good.


A strong, loaded opinion with little to back it up.


No different than claiming Purolators are junk because they are linked to German ownership. It's sad when ethnic bias is the driving force to disliking something. Do you have something against Germany that focuses back to they years 1939 to 1945?
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Has labman said they are junk or just that he prefers to buy American and since Purolator is owned by Bosch, which we all known in a German company, he prefers to buy something else?

It must be lonely up on your pedestal.


If he doesn't have anything to show why they are not worth buying except that they are German owned, then his agenda is 100% flawed. He's not convincing anyone to not buy them just because Bosch bought up Purolator. You think someone is going to switch to buying Escap filters (and risk failure) just to buy from an American owned company?
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The only way you are going to convince anyone from buying a product is by showing that the product is junk, and I haven't seen any proof of that so far.
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I've seen plenty of photos of blown out Ecore media ... that makes me NOT want to use any kind of Ecore designed filter.

Also, if Purolator was bought by say a Japanese company or a Korean company or a Russian company ... would labman still feel the same? I bet he buys plenty of other products that made by and are foreign owned. He always makes it a point to say Puroltor is German owned ... not foreign owned. This makes me think he is prejudice against Germans for some reason. It's not hard to see.
 
Originally Posted By: SuperBusa
He's not convincing anyone to not buy them just because Bosch bought up Purolator.


If you really believed that, you and your buddies wouldn't be spending hours a day trying to drive me away. There is a strong buy American sentiment on BITOG, and it interferes with your buy Purolator agenda for me to point out its German ownership.

When it comes to bias, how about the ''If it is American, it is junk.'' mindset?
 
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I don't buy nothin' but uhmurrakin awl 'n' filters. Ya'll can keep all that chinese, japanese, ko-rean, messican, a-rab and germanese mess. If it don't have the U.S. of A on it, it's just communist junk. All them foriegn filters is made by a buncha socialist, communist, fascist, marxist, islamic youngerns in a sweatshop. They hate our freedoms!


Buying a product based on it's place of manufacture is just as ignorant as buying based on marketing. Performance, quality, and value are not words that are synonymous with any country. Not even America. Or Germany, either.

For what it's worth, I don't think that Fram, Purolator or Bosch make the best filters out there.
 
Originally Posted By: labman
Originally Posted By: SuperBusa
He's not convincing anyone to not buy them just because Bosch bought up Purolator.


If you really believed that, you and your buddies wouldn't be spending hours a day trying to drive me away. There is a strong buy American sentiment on BITOG, and it interferes with your buy Purolator agenda for me to point out its German ownership.

When it comes to bias, how about the ''If it is American, it is junk.'' mindset?


You fail to realize that your agenda has become ethnically focused. What do you have against Germany? Like I've said before, you don't seem to bash any other ethnic group, or talk about the fact that you buy other products not made in America or made by American owned companies. Is there some under lying reason you have such an anti-German agenda at hand?

You can't hardly argue with the "best bang for the buck" and "high performance & reliability" agendas ... and that is done without on any hint of ethnic overtone in it ... only FACTS!
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Originally Posted By: labman
If you really believed that, you and your buddies wouldn't be spending hours a day trying to drive me away. There is a strong buy American sentiment on BITOG, and it interferes with your buy Purolator agenda for me to point out its German ownership.


Seriously?

1) Nobody's trying to drive you away.
2) Nobody spends 'hours a day', even collectively, trying to do so. That's ridiculous.
3) Getting on your case about your anti-Purolator (or is it really anti-German?) stance does not mean 'we' have a 'buy Purolator agenda'. It means we have a pro-'dislike a product for a logical reason' stance.
4) You haven't even cared to notice that most of the people getting on you (save one or two posters) are NOT pushing Purolators, only saying that their foreign (sorry, German) ownership is not the calamity you make it out to be.
5) The only person here with an agenda is YOU. You are going out of your way to make sure everyone knows Purolator is foreign-owned and therefore should not be supported with our American dollars. Trust me, WE ALL KNOW.
6) Need I mention that you yet again had to point out their German ownership?

Maybe someday we'll get to find out what your REAL issue is with Purolator (or Germany or whatever) but I'm not holding my breath.
 
Originally Posted By: SuperBusa
Originally Posted By: labman
Originally Posted By: SuperBusa
He's not convincing anyone to not buy them just because Bosch bought up Purolator.


If you really believed that, you and your buddies wouldn't be spending hours a day trying to drive me away. There is a strong buy American sentiment on BITOG, and it interferes with your buy Purolator agenda for me to point out its German ownership.

When it comes to bias, how about the ''If it is American, it is junk.'' mindset?


You fail to realize that your agenda has become ethnically focused. What do you have against Germany? Like I've said before, you don't seem to bash any other ethnic group, or talk about the fact that you buy other products not made in America or made by American owned companies. Is there some under lying reason you have such an anti-German agenda at hand?

You can't hardly argue with the "best bang for the buck" and "high performance & reliability" agendas ... and that is done without on any hint of ethnic overtone in it ... only FACTS!
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I completely disagree with your contention that this is an "ethnic" thing with labman. I cant speak for him, but I have seen posts and discussed with him about the importance of American based manufacturing and companies in many other threads besides oil filters. His problem, and mine, with foreign ownership of American companies and with foreign domination of large parts of our market, does not end with German ownership.

My belief and for what I know of it, his feelings, are centered along nationalistic lines, NOT at all along ethnic lines. At worst you can accuse some of us of being a bit jingoistic, but to infer or try and make it an ethnic thing is over the line imo.
 
Originally Posted By: labman
I fine the above silly.


Wow, no kidding?
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I've called you on this stuff a few times and you've never had much if anything to say in response. I guess I shouldn't have expected anything noteworthy this time, either. Oh, well.
 
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I completely disagree with your contention that this is an "ethnic" thing with labman. I cant speak for him, but I have seen posts and discussed with him about the importance of American based manufacturing and companies in many other threads besides oil filters. His problem, and mine, with foreign ownership of American companies and with foreign domination of large parts of our market, does not end with German ownership.

My belief and for what I know of it, his feelings, are centered along nationalistic lines, NOT at all along ethnic lines. At worst you can accuse some of us of being a bit jingoistic, but to infer or try and make it an ethnic thing is over the line imo.

What about if one were to say, express hatred towards a couple ethnic groups? Would that be "nationalistic"? But I know, your not speaking for him.

What about if it's not alright to purchase Purolator oil filters which does employ American workers, but ok to purchase Kumho tires. Strange logic indeed.

But here's the real point, you don't want to purchase a Purolator or any product that's not 100% American, that's great/kool. But, to chase every Purolator oil filter related thread, or any oil filter reommendation thread or many other oil filter threads and keep beating a dead horse is whacked. Inevitably it takes the thread off topic, just like it has this one.

And, strangely the vehements with which he pursues Purolator, doesn't seem to carry over to other filter brands posted here that are neither American owned or made. So, I don't know how much time you have spent on this board, but anyone who has spent any time at all reading this board knows this to be true, though some may choose not to admit it.

Back to the topic, just as there is no best oil, there is no best filter. It depends on you driving style and your cost/benefit. That said, if I wanted the absolute best with cost being no factor, I'd say Amsoil then Royal Purple, ACDelco Ultraguard, Toyota TRD and OVERKILL mentioned Donaldson Syntec being similar to the previous 3.

But, if you're looking for good bang for the buck quality filters for an average 5-10K OCI, as I said previously, spend some time reading this board and you'll figure it out.
 
Originally Posted By: labman
I fine the above silly.


I found the above you referred to 100% spot on!
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If labman's quote in the link in sayjac's post above isn't ethnically driven, then I don't know what is. If posting ethnic hatred is OK now on BITOG, can we also get our swear words to show up too?
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This post has gone from discussing a filter to bashing another member. I feel that there are good American and foreign made products and each of us have favorites. Please discuss the product not where it is made. I am locking this post.

Ethnic hatred will not be allowed.
 
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