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Re: Drag Race: Lamborghini Aventador vs NEW Tesla Model S Performance [Re: Astro14] #5395267 04/06/20 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Astro14
Exactly - it's a 12 second stunt. Blindingly fast.

Once.

Next run, the Tesla will be a lot slower. By run 4 or 5, it'll be heat-limited, and outrun by my wife's ancient Volvo wagon...

You can't track the car, because the controller heat build-up chokes the car's power. Car and Driver famously did a test, Tesla v. Porsche. The Tesla leapt ahead, then died as heat got to it, the Porsche ran away after that.

So, if your goal is to have one really fast run, stop light to stop light, then the Tesla is your stunt machine. Run hard on a road course, or at high speed, the Tesla can't keep up.

I'm curious, how are Tesla sales in Germany? How do they do on the autobahn at sustained high speed?

My VW Passat rental (diesel, six speed manual, wagon) a few years ago would run all day at 220-230 KM. Which was top speed for the car. Foot to the floor. Normal temps. A very impressive car, by the way.

Could the Tesla keep up with a rental VW wagon?


Once? In the video the Tesla’s fastest run was its 3rd, at 10.4 seconds. Not exactly sure how Car and Driver’s 3rd run was almost 14 seconds.

Either way it does appear the Porsche Taycan is more repeatable than a Model S. The Model 3/Y is a much different story as it wasn’t designed a decade ago.

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/08/1...celeration-can-we-troll-fossils-instead/


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Re: Drag Race: Lamborghini Aventador vs NEW Tesla Model S Performance [Re: wemay] #5395304 04/06/20 09:20 AM
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Rumors are the new Tri-Motor Model S Plaid coming this summer will have the Model 3/Y battery/electronics cooling system.


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Re: Drag Race: Lamborghini Aventador vs NEW Tesla Model S Performance [Re: wemay] #5396089 04/07/20 06:58 AM
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Not a fan of either vehicle, but respect them both for their separate achievements.


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Re: Drag Race: Lamborghini Aventador vs NEW Tesla Model S Performance [Re: wemay] #5396925 04/07/20 10:32 PM
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I just wonder how long it will be before electric cars can actually compete, head-to-head, with ICEs, for range.

I’d consider competing head-to-head, having at least a 350-mile range on a charge, at speeds of up to 85 mph, and then being able to take a full recharge in less than 30 minutes.

Just thinking about road trips, here. 30 min for a recharge might seem like a long time when compared to 5 min to refuel your car. But it would be acceptable to me. Any longer than that, or much shorter of a range, and I wouldn’t be interested in buying one as a do-it-all car.

They get to that point and I’ll consider buying one.


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Re: Drag Race: Lamborghini Aventador vs NEW Tesla Model S Performance [Re: john_pifer] #5396944 04/07/20 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by john_pifer
I just wonder how long it will be before electric cars can actually compete, head-to-head, with ICEs, for range.

I’d consider competing head-to-head, having at least a 350-mile range on a charge, at speeds of up to 85 mph, and then being able to take a full recharge in less than 30 minutes.

Just thinking about road trips, here. 30 min for a recharge might seem like a long time when compared to 5 min to refuel your car. But it would be acceptable to me. Any longer than that, or much shorter of a range, and I wouldn’t be interested in buying one as a do-it-all car.

They get to that point and I’ll consider buying one.

Word is Tesla is about to release a 400 mile range Model 3 in the Shanghai plant.
400 mile range Model 3

Shanghai, aka Gigafactory 3, was shut down but is back up as up mid February.
They delivered almost 9,400 cars in Q1, about 3,900 in March. Q2 is estimated to deliver almost twice Q1 numbers.

As an owner, you learn these cars are different. Charge at home; you start every day with a full tank. Sweet...
On the road, you don't run to empty then fill up. You drive and charge, when convenient if possible, enough to get where you are going. Then fill up.
You learn.
As always, I tell people these cars are not for everyone; they are different.
But owning is certainly doable. These things are the future.

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Re: Drag Race: Lamborghini Aventador vs NEW Tesla Model S Performance [Re: wemay] #5396956 04/07/20 11:54 PM
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Model S P100D “Cheetah” over-the-air upgrade just released today.

Adds 46HP, faster 0-60, faster 1/4 mile, better thermal
management on repeated runs. Active suspension setup for better weight transfer on launches.

Here’s before and after data on the exact same car on the street. These are also with the big heavy wheels.

Source: DragTime YouTube channel.
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The guy on DragTimes thinks it’ll do 10.3 seconds with the lighter wheels and on a prepped drag surface.




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Re: Drag Race: Lamborghini Aventador vs NEW Tesla Model S Performance [Re: wemay] #5396967 04/08/20 12:20 AM
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The Lamborghini is a drivers car. It's got an exhaust note that is legendary alongside a racing heritage. It does EVERYTHING well except mpg and lacks room for anything more than you and a slim lady. I could drive the Lamborghini back to Casper Wyoming in a day no problem. The Tesla will need long recharges but will probably have more leg room and comfort for the journey. I can add better bolt on parts to the Lamborghini from nitrous to a full catless race exhaust that could wake the devil. I'm a car guy and the only happy medium between these two cars would be the new Acura NSX!


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Re: Drag Race: Lamborghini Aventador vs NEW Tesla Model S Performance [Re: Astro14] #5397010 04/08/20 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Astro14
Exactly - it's a 12 second stunt. Blindingly fast.


I'm curious, how are Tesla sales in Germany? How do they do on the autobahn at sustained high speed?



They don't. You hardly have enough open autobahn to try and all Teslas I saw so far idle along at 120 kph to get to their destination.
The one wasn't even bothered by a FORD Focus RS and merely kept to his 120 kph...

Re: Drag Race: Lamborghini Aventador vs NEW Tesla Model S Performance [Re: BMWTurboDzl] #5397187 04/08/20 09:45 AM
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The results aren't surprising. The instant max torque of electric motors compared to fossil fuel powered engines is advantageous. The top speed of the electric motors/heatsoak, not so much.

Originally Posted by JeffKeryk
Can I have both?
Actually, the Tesla Roadster will spank anything out there.


Since we're talking about imaginary vehicles, the Starship Enterprise will spank the Tesla Roadster.

Originally Posted by Astro14
Could the Tesla keep up with a rental VW wagon?


The Tesla would demolish the VW wagon during a quick 10 minute track session. Every session after that it won't last more than a few lap. (Seen it, somebody brought out a BMW i8 and a Tesla @ Autobahn Raceway in Joliet years ago.)

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