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Re: Buy my father in law's Honda Pilot? [Re: Kira] #5330221 01/23/20 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Kira
A host of things to be done to a front suspension. The trick to lowering costs is to combine tasks.
Shocks& struts.....c'mon

How are the brakes & tires? Immediate need? FIL immediately lowers price!
Brake fluid flush and pin lube (part 'n parcel of detailed inspection) at least. FIL immediately lowers price!

Get it and begin really shopping for "YOUR car of the future". Lots of local trips? hybrid time looming? babies coming?
Don't get caught up paying payments on yesterday's tech.

This is an interim vehicle.


Tires are Michelin Defenders in very good condition with about 1 year on them, vehicle is well maintained and cared for, just 12 years old with 170k miles. Yes it's a Honda, but it's not like that mileage can be ignored.

Honestly I might be better served by buying it and having 3 vehicles. My wife's Rogue has 120k miles on it and will need replacement in the next few years as well. We've had extremely good luck with Nissan CVTs so far.

Re: Buy my father in law's Honda Pilot? [Re: Triplicate] #5330229 01/23/20 12:00 PM
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Dark tint (ceramic for IR heat reduction for a bit more money) is an option for the Sentra. If you don't want to pay for tint on all of your windows, then just the rear wouldn't cost much. You can throw a suction-cup shade on the rear side window, which we do in combination with the OEM tint to block nearly all of the sun from our little one.

It looks like 35% is the MD limit for the rear, but I'm sure you could go darker if the rest of the car isn't tinted like a gangster-mobile.

Everyone has their own wants and needs. Being cheap, you certainly know that there's no need for a Pilot-sized vehicle for one kid; however, what you're being offered seems like a really good deal, so long as you can get a handle on what all it needs now and might need in the future. Why not have it inspected thoroughly and get an estimate for all of its problems. They might be able to give you an idea of anything coming your way within the next couple of years, too, such as bushings, brakes and other wear items that can be inspected easily. The timing belt is on a schedule, so no mystery there, so long as it was replaced correctly the first time.

Emissions: What makes you think it won't pass in 2022? Your emissions check is only an OBD-2 check, not a sniff test, right?

Finally, there's a big difference between being prudent and being cheap. It doesn't matter if the Pilot will be given to you for free if you can't comfortably afford or want to pay for its increased running costs, outside of what it might cost to make it code-free. Fuel costs will be more every single time you fillup and wear items will all be more expensive, if due any time soon.


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Re: Buy my father in law's Honda Pilot? [Re: Triplicate] #5330256 01/23/20 12:32 PM
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Minivans can be had really cheaply, and a non-AWD Toyota Sienna would be a lot more reliable, and likely easier than gas, than a Pilot, IMO.


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Re: Buy my father in law's Honda Pilot? [Re: Triplicate] #5330263 01/23/20 12:42 PM
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I haven't found that used minivans are really all that cheap. I would put my bet on this Pilot to be more reliable than a $2500 minivan of any brand...

Re: Buy my father in law's Honda Pilot? [Re: Triplicate] #5330282 01/23/20 01:12 PM
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I don't buy from family, friends, or fellow church members no do business with any of them. A great way to loose a friend!

Re: Buy my father in law's Honda Pilot? [Re: gathermewool] #5330301 01/23/20 02:11 PM
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Dark tint (ceramic for IR heat reduction for a bit more money) is an option for the Sentra. If you don't want to pay for tint on all of your windows, then just the rear wouldn't cost much. You can throw a suction-cup shade on the rear side window, which we do in combination with the OEM tint to block nearly all of the sun from our little one.

It looks like 35% is the MD limit for the rear, but I'm sure you could go darker if the rest of the car isn't tinted like a gangster-mobile.

Everyone has their own wants and needs. Being cheap, you certainly know that there's no need for a Pilot-sized vehicle for one kid; however, what you're being offered seems like a really good deal, so long as you can get a handle on what all it needs now and might need in the future. Why not have it inspected thoroughly and get an estimate for all of its problems. They might be able to give you an idea of anything coming your way within the next couple of years, too, such as bushings, brakes and other wear items that can be inspected easily. The timing belt is on a schedule, so no mystery there, so long as it was replaced correctly the first time.

Emissions: What makes you think it won't pass in 2022? Your emissions check is only an OBD-2 check, not a sniff test, right?

Finally, there's a big difference between being prudent and being cheap. It doesn't matter if the Pilot will be given to you for free if you can't comfortably afford or want to pay for its increased running costs, outside of what it might cost to make it code-free. Fuel costs will be more every single time you fillup and wear items will all be more expensive, if due any time soon.


The Pilot is throwing a P0420 code which means one of its three cats is failing, it won't pass emissions as a result. No sniff test/treadmill test here, the code alone will fail the vehicle. Luckily it passed emissions not long ago so its good for another couple years.

The forum makes a lot of good points. I really think keeping the Sentra is a good idea. I may or may not buy the Pilot but I'm not getting rid of the Nissan.

Re: Buy my father in law's Honda Pilot? [Re: SrDriver] #5330303 01/23/20 02:15 PM
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I don't buy from family, friends, or fellow church members no do business with any of them. A great way to loose a friend!

Yep, I have always found this is the best way to go.


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Sounds the Pilot was burning oil due to the issues with Honda's VCM implentation on the 2007-2009 J35 V6s. TPMS and suspension work are BFDs, but I feel to fix the VSA code and the P0420, you need to work to root cause and resolve that. Some DTCs will set off the CEL and ABS/ESP(VSC/VDIM, VDC, VSA) light at the same time, electronic stability control and traction control needs to be able to close the throttle or pull/retard spark to limit engine power when it's activated.

Are you handy and have the budget to replace the cat as well as fix the issues that might have caused it in the first place?

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Tires are Michelin Defenders in very good condition with about 1 year on them, vehicle is well maintained and cared for, just 12 years old with 170k miles. Yes it's a Honda, but it's not like that mileage can be ignored.
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Not sure how a failed transmission at 155k and a failing cat converter at 170k constitutes a well cared for and maintained vehicle.
These things usually don't fail on well maintained vehicles this soon.

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I'd steer clear of buying and or selling vehicles within your family. I've done it in the past and it never seems to work out in the long run.

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Not sure how a failed transmission at 155k and a failing cat converter at 170k constitutes a well cared for and maintained vehicle.
These things usually don't fail on well maintained vehicles this soon.


Honda's aren't known for bullet proof V6 transmissions in the slightest. It could certainly go out with good care at that mileage. I wouldn't worry about too much more on that rig other than gas mileage will be poor.

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The Sentra is very cramped with a rear facing child seat. More troubling, with the winter sun low in the sky, the sun can shine right in my son's eyes though the back windshield. Now I know why so many parents end up in SUVs. The long roof largely prevents this from happening.



Wow, you just made me realize another advantage of the wagon platform that even I hadn't thought of yet. Long Roofs forever!


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Re: Buy my father in law's Honda Pilot? [Re: Triplicate] #5330328 01/23/20 02:43 PM
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My FIL dropped the Pilot off at a Honda specialist shop here in Maryland. If nthatch is right and everything is related to the VCM system gunking up the cat, I'll report back. Looks like there are a lot of aftermarket ways to bypass/deactivate VCM to prevent this sort of thing from happening.

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I don't know that much about Pilots, but from what I understand 4WD models did not have VCM in this era. Is it a 4WD?

Also, the 2007 transmission should be the 4-shaft "Ridgeline" transmission that is pretty solid. Compare the 2005 Pilot transmission on carcomplaints.com (64 complaints) to the 2007 (1 complaint).

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Trade them both in on a new Corvette.

Re: Buy my father in law's Honda Pilot? [Re: KrisZ] #5330359 01/23/20 03:30 PM
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Tires are Michelin Defenders in very good condition with about 1 year on them, vehicle is well maintained and cared for, just 12 years old with 170k miles. Yes it's a Honda, but it's not like that mileage can be ignored.
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Not sure how a failed transmission at 155k and a failing cat converter at 170k constitutes a well cared for and maintained vehicle.
These things usually don't fail on well maintained vehicles this soon.

I don't disagree but on a recent thread I was told (repeatedly) that 150k was a good lifespan for a transmission.


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