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Re: 5w30 Throw Off VVT [ 5w20 Vehicle ] ? [Re: Fallguy] #5324933 01/17/20 05:12 AM
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I’m using 0w40 in 2 vehicles calling for 5w20. I have noticed absolutely 0 difference other than my own perceived ever so slightly smoother and quieter running engines.

Placebo effect? Probably. Does it give me warm fuzzies inside? Definitely.

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Re: 5w30 Throw Off VVT [ 5w20 Vehicle ] ? [Re: Fallguy] #5324934 01/17/20 05:12 AM
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"Let’s not pretend like 0w20 is anything but a CAFE required crutch to eek another 1/2MPG" - BLND1

Re: 5w30 Throw Off VVT [ 5w20 Vehicle ] ? [Re: Fallguy] #5324949 01/17/20 06:11 AM
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This link has pictures from the owners manual from a 2018 Camry Hybrid VVT-I

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4890579/1

Toyota say you can use: 0W16, 0W20, 5W20, 5W30, 10W30 and 15W40 in their car.

You should be fine.


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Re: 5w30 Throw Off VVT [ 5w20 Vehicle ] ? [Re: Skippy722] #5324968 01/17/20 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Skippy722
I’m using 0w40 in 2 vehicles calling for 5w20. I have noticed absolutely 0 difference other than my own perceived ever so slightly smoother and quieter running engines.

Placebo effect? Probably. Does it give me warm fuzzies inside? Definitely.


My 2009 Camry LE with 2AZ-FE calls for 5w20 or 0w20 in owners manual. I have a hard time believing that a 5w20 if recommended is a bad choice. I have Valvoline Syn Maxlife 5w20 and notice better startups in the winter here smile


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Re: 5w30 Throw Off VVT [ 5w20 Vehicle ] ? [Re: Fallguy] #5324980 01/17/20 07:01 AM
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Re: 5w30 Throw Off VVT [ 5w20 Vehicle ] ? [Re: 53' Stude] #5324995 01/17/20 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Skippy722
I’m using 0w40 in 2 vehicles calling for 5w20. I have noticed absolutely 0 difference other than my own perceived ever so slightly smoother and quieter running engines.

Placebo effect? Probably. Does it give me warm fuzzies inside? Definitely.


My 2009 Camry LE with 2AZ-FE calls for 5w20 or 0w20 in owners manual. I have a hard time believing that a 5w20 if recommended is a bad choice. I have Valvoline Syn Maxlife 5w20 and notice better startups in the winter here smile


I have that same engine in a 2012 Scion xB. I only have 21,000 miles on it, but was wondering how your oil consumption has been over the life of your engine as I see you have over 160K. Some things I read say that 2012 and later 2AZ-FE don't have the oil consumption issues, but was just curious about yours.


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Re: 5w30 Throw Off VVT [ 5w20 Vehicle ] ? [Re: Fallguy] #5325003 01/17/20 07:31 AM
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I've used 5W50 in a GM engine with VVT calling for 5W30 to improve hot idle oil pressure and found no ill effects and better oil pressure.

Re: 5w30 Throw Off VVT [ 5w20 Vehicle ] ? [Re: demarpaint] #5325009 01/17/20 07:36 AM
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My vehicles spec one grade only nationwide. It’s repeated over and over in that 600 page book that comes out of the glovebox and moved to my home office. (I admit to speed reading the tire and touch screen sections)
The whole ECM controlled lubrication system was designed around that. Point is, proxy votes against the OEM can vary engine by engine.
The oil spec was not afterthought … it changed with an engine generational change.
More things than VVT are impacted.

What did the million mile GM truck guy say ? Read your owner manual. So if that worked so well on his diesel … what makes it the wrong thing to do on a gasser. I don’t know who’s right or wrong on the warranty issue ? Despite decades of driving horrific vehicle brands … never any struggles there, so I’m not expert … my gut tells one thing and I’d not lie to the dealership if asked what oil grade.

As Shannow RE’d on my stiff 6 bolt lower end … that keeps everything concentric under loads.
Now if I buy another RV, I might study some more, but towing light and moderate cargo, I don’t fear 0w20.
For those constantly bashing CAFE ? Nationwide you should understand that prevents more regulations that lots of us don’t want to see take root.

I don’t mind being on my own little island here … well, just me and the OEM that did not give me multiple choices.
Those that have options ? Fill your boots and engines

Re: 5w30 Throw Off VVT [ 5w20 Vehicle ] ? [Re: Fallguy] #5325012 01/17/20 07:38 AM
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WWTD what would Toyota do?
do they spec 5 20?

their engines seem to last.


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Re: 5w30 Throw Off VVT [ 5w20 Vehicle ] ? [Re: Fallguy] #5325032 01/17/20 08:05 AM
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A, uh, friend of mine ran 0w-40 in a Subaru spec'd for 0w-20 and it worked great. Until it got to the cold mornings in October and November. It started to have some weird bucking issues until the engine warmed up. Which went away when the engine was switched back to 0w-20 at the scheduled oil change interval.

Luckily, I always run 0w-20 year round in mine wink


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Re: 5w30 Throw Off VVT [ 5w20 Vehicle ] ? [Re: Fallguy] #5325041 01/17/20 08:10 AM
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I have seen HDEO cause problems with VVT but never 5w30

Re: 5w30 Throw Off VVT [ 5w20 Vehicle ] ? [Re: Fallguy] #5325060 01/17/20 08:40 AM
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I need to dig it up but a fellow user posted a UOA using euro spec 0w40 in a Honda Odyssey. The results were fantastic. For reference most Odysseys call for 5w20 or 0w20 on newer models.

Here it is https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/4469338/

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Re: 5w30 Throw Off VVT [ 5w20 Vehicle ] ? [Re: OilUzer] #5325064 01/17/20 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by OilUzer
Zero cars in junkyard or repair shops due to xW30 damaging any VVTs. If there are some, then it's due to a bad design ...
On the other hand, some cars may end up in junkyard a little sooner due to using xW shocked2 sorry ran out of ink! grin2

You pull that data out a hole in your back yard?


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Re: 5w30 Throw Off VVT [ 5w20 Vehicle ] ? [Re: Fallguy] #5325073 01/17/20 08:54 AM
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I've noticed it moving the torque curve about 500 RPM up rev range and small Japanese engine, I had a stick shift in those cars so It didn't really bother me - others I owned it mad it a slug. Think AT.

My Nissan with a CVT and a QR25DE was very picky about oil grade - like Goldilocks. So I will chalk that up to design issues.
It would get very sluggish with too thick a 5w30 - so manytimes I mixed in a little 5w20 to get it back to the sweet spot.

I didn't have to worry with a Honda Fit Sport - It had VTEC and no VVTi

If you are a lugger I would not do it.

Never tried in that engine though.

But Why not take one for team and make a data point. You do it and report. You could also go 1/2 and 1/2 of a 20 + 30 to give it a good boost.

I did see many current DEXOS approved 20 grades looking thick in KV100 .in the high 8's (cSt.)

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Re: 5w30 Throw Off VVT [ 5w20 Vehicle ] ? [Re: Fallguy] #5325075 01/17/20 08:55 AM
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I'm running 0W-20 in a 5W30 GM 2.4 Ecotec.
My VVTs vary better than ever. grin2

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