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Emailed Quaker State and they wouldn't give me their NOACKs #5168200 07/22/19 02:18 PM
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I emailed them to find out the NOACK of their Synthetic Blend oils (not high mileage). They said they aren't allowed to say. Wow.

Re: Emailed Quaker State and they wouldn't give me their NOACKs [Re: Whammo] #5168206 07/22/19 02:26 PM
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Okay.

If that's a deal breaker for you then buy another brand that does report the values? It's going to meet the requirements of the license or certification, whichever one that is.


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Re: Emailed Quaker State and they wouldn't give me their NOACKs [Re: Whammo] #5168211 07/22/19 02:31 PM
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Re: Emailed Quaker State and they wouldn't give me their NOACKs [Re: Whammo] #5168229 07/22/19 02:51 PM
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It's a notably variable test, that is demonstrably non-repeatable from test rig to test rig.
And the reality is that NOACK on its own isn't enough information to make an informed decision about anything.

No wonder they wouldn't give it to you.


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Re: Emailed Quaker State and they wouldn't give me their NOACKs [Re: Imp4] #5168230 07/22/19 02:52 PM
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Yes it does seem to be another one of those values that people obsess over, but in reality doesn't mean as much as they imagine it does - at least within the limits of the specification to which it is attached.


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Re: Emailed Quaker State and they wouldn't give me their NOACKs [Re: Whammo] #5168231 07/22/19 02:54 PM
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It's company policy. Just like Mobil doesn't list NOACK either.

Here's an older VOA from PQIA:
http://www.pqiamerica.com/June%202014/QSDEFY.htm


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Re: Emailed Quaker State and they wouldn't give me their NOACKs [Re: UG_Passat] #5168234 07/22/19 02:56 PM
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And it's "Noack", not NOACK.


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Re: Emailed Quaker State and they wouldn't give me their NOACKs [Re: kschachn] #5168235 07/22/19 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by kschachn
And it's "Noack", not NOACK.


Yes, I'm sure people were confused over what NOACK was referring to smirk2

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you have to know the secret hand shake


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Re: Emailed Quaker State and they wouldn't give me their NOACKs [Re: Whammo] #5168243 07/22/19 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Whammo
Originally Posted by kschachn
And it's "Noack", not NOACK.
Yes, I'm sure people were confused over what NOACK was referring to smirk2

It makes you look more credible when you spell things correctly, that's all.


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Originally Posted by 1978elcamino
you have to know the secret hand shake

It makes you look more credible when you post technically relevant responses too.


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Noackcess.


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Originally Posted by Imp4
It's a notably variable test, that is demonstrably non-repeatable from test rig to test rig.
And the reality is that NOACK on its own isn't enough information to make an informed decision about anything.

No wonder they wouldn't give it to you.


Correct, it's understandable why they don't provide it. Many people get fixated on particular numbers.


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Why am I not surprised?


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Re: Emailed Quaker State and they wouldn't give me their NOACKs [Re: kschachn] #5168276 07/22/19 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by Whammo
Originally Posted by kschachn
And it's "Noack", not NOACK.
Yes, I'm sure people were confused over what NOACK was referring to smirk2

It makes you look more credible when you spell things correctly, that's all.


People don't seem to care if it's Noack or NOACK. All the letters are there in the correct order, capitalized or not. It doesn't mean different tests whether you capitalize the letters or not.

Also, there are 4 different types of tests can be performed in accordance to the ASTM spec.

Not all of them are completely interchangeable.
A uses the Noack evaporative tester
B uses the automated non-Woods metal Noack evaporative apparatus
C uses Selby-Noack volatility test equipment
D uses Noack S2 test equipment.

A & C provides equivalent results
B&D provides equivalent results

A/C provide slightly lower results than B/D on formulated engine oils
A/C provide slightly higher results than B/D on basestocks

confused?

All of this is in the ASTM

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