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Re: Is CR-V AWD really that bad? [Re: Brigadier] #5069240 04/09/19 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Brigadier
Well, I must have been dreaming when my fake AWD Santa Fe drove right around stuck Jeeps and Subarus going up hills this last winter. And going down the other side of the hill, on ice, the ABS never kicked in. Especially since i didn't have dedicated snow tires, just the TrueContact Tours....yep, must've been a dream.

BTW, I never could tell if I was in FWD or AWD. The transitions were seemless.

It's all about tires.


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Re: Is CR-V AWD really that bad? [Re: edyvw] #5069331 04/09/19 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by edyvw
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Well, I must have been dreaming when my fake AWD Santa Fe drove right around stuck Jeeps and Subarus going up hills this last winter. And going down the other side of the hill, on ice, the ABS never kicked in. Especially since i didn't have dedicated snow tires, just the TrueContact Tours....yep, must've been a dream.

BTW, I never could tell if I was in FWD or AWD. The transitions were seemless.

It's all about tires.

Tires matter a ton, but even using mediocre tires, AWD makes the magic happen while FWD/RWD will leave you stranded in many circumstances. No, it won't help you turn or stop, but it will help you out of the drive way.


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Well, I must have been dreaming when my fake AWD Santa Fe drove right around stuck Jeeps and Subarus going up hills this last winter. And going down the other side of the hill, on ice, the ABS never kicked in. Especially since i didn't have dedicated snow tires, just the TrueContact Tours....yep, must've been a dream.

BTW, I never could tell if I was in FWD or AWD. The transitions were seemless.

It's all about tires.

Tires matter a ton, but even using mediocre tires, AWD makes the magic happen while FWD/RWD will leave you stranded in many circumstances. No, it won't help you turn or stop, but it will help you out of the drive way.


If you think the TrueContact Tour is a mediocre tire, you need to do some research. And reread my post - climbing up and down hills covered in Seattle area snow/ice. A little more than just getting out of the driveway.

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Originally Posted by edyvw
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Well, I must have been dreaming when my fake AWD Santa Fe drove right around stuck Jeeps and Subarus going up hills this last winter. And going down the other side of the hill, on ice, the ABS never kicked in. Especially since i didn't have dedicated snow tires, just the TrueContact Tours....yep, must've been a dream.

BTW, I never could tell if I was in FWD or AWD. The transitions were seemless.

It's all about tires.


But, but, but, they weren't dedicated snow tires and I wasn't driving a VW or Audi, so I must be lying, right? I was driving a cheap, low end Korean SUV with mediocre all season tires.....how could this happen?

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Originally Posted by edyvw
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Well, I must have been dreaming when my fake AWD Santa Fe drove right around stuck Jeeps and Subarus going up hills this last winter. And going down the other side of the hill, on ice, the ABS never kicked in. Especially since i didn't have dedicated snow tires, just the TrueContact Tours....yep, must've been a dream.

BTW, I never could tell if I was in FWD or AWD. The transitions were seemless.

It's all about tires.


Hey, wait, all three CUVs in that video had Blizzaks.......so, you were saying?

Re: Is CR-V AWD really that bad? [Re: Brigadier] #5069344 04/09/19 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Brigadier
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Originally Posted by Brigadier
Well, I must have been dreaming when my fake AWD Santa Fe drove right around stuck Jeeps and Subarus going up hills this last winter. And going down the other side of the hill, on ice, the ABS never kicked in. Especially since i didn't have dedicated snow tires, just the TrueContact Tours....yep, must've been a dream.

BTW, I never could tell if I was in FWD or AWD. The transitions were seemless.

It's all about tires.

Tires matter a ton, but even using mediocre tires, AWD makes the magic happen while FWD/RWD will leave you stranded in many circumstances. No, it won't help you turn or stop, but it will help you out of the drive way.


If you think the TrueContact Tour is a mediocre tire, you need to do some research. And reread my post - climbing up and down hills covered in Seattle area snow/ice. A little more than just getting out of the driveway.

I never addressed your tires. That said, I've been looking at those vs. RT43's. Which and why?


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Re: Is CR-V AWD really that bad? [Re: Ws6] #5069352 04/09/19 01:02 PM
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I never addressed your tires. That said, I've been looking at those vs. RT43's. Which and why?


I do not have any experience with the RT43's. My past experience in the mid to late 90s with General Tire keeps me from considering them.

Past experience with my dad and Continentals on his VWs has been extremely positive. So my first set was for my wife's Mazda3 - Control Contacts. Long mileage warranty, and the way they handled the Seattle rain and snow, on a 2WD car has been impressive indeed.

My past experience with AWD vehicles and Seattle snow showed me that dedicated snow tires are not needed on a good AWD vehicle, if you drive sanely, as one should anyway regardless.

I originally wanted to get the GY WeatherReady tires like I got for my son's 2WD Escape- his college is in central WA where there is snow for months. The 3PMS rating will help him over Snoqualmie pass when WSDOT declares traction tires required.

However, after getting his tires just before school, I needed to save a bit of money....I have wiggle room on the AWD SantaFe.

So, watching tire reviews from Tire Rack on the TrueContact Tours was very favorable in dry, wet, and snow. The customer reviews on the Discount Tire website were glowing as well. So at $50 less per tire that the GY, I went for it. To say that the performance is all conditions is excellent is an understatement.

And my son says that the GY were well worth the $$ for his car in Ellensburg snow.

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Originally Posted by Brigadier
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Well, I must have been dreaming when my fake AWD Santa Fe drove right around stuck Jeeps and Subarus going up hills this last winter. And going down the other side of the hill, on ice, the ABS never kicked in. Especially since i didn't have dedicated snow tires, just the TrueContact Tours....yep, must've been a dream.

BTW, I never could tell if I was in FWD or AWD. The transitions were seemless.

It's all about tires.


But, but, but, they weren't dedicated snow tires and I wasn't driving a VW or Audi, so I must be lying, right? I was driving a cheap, low end Korean SUV with mediocre all season tires.....how could this happen?

When you drive 2mph they won't slip.
And yeah, probably you are lying. It is tin can after all.


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Well, I must have been dreaming when my fake AWD Santa Fe drove right around stuck Jeeps and Subarus going up hills this last winter. And going down the other side of the hill, on ice, the ABS never kicked in. Especially since i didn't have dedicated snow tires, just the TrueContact Tours....yep, must've been a dream.

BTW, I never could tell if I was in FWD or AWD. The transitions were seemless.

It's all about tires.

Tires matter a ton, but even using mediocre tires, AWD makes the magic happen while FWD/RWD will leave you stranded in many circumstances. No, it won't help you turn or stop, but it will help you out of the drive way.

No it won't.
I would take FWD or RWD with snow tires any day in snow over AWD with all seasons.
Again, people do not die because they do not go forward fast enough, but bcs they cannot stop fast enough.


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Re: Is CR-V AWD really that bad? [Re: edyvw] #5069673 04/09/19 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by edyvw
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Originally Posted by Brigadier
Well, I must have been dreaming when my fake AWD Santa Fe drove right around stuck Jeeps and Subarus going up hills this last winter. And going down the other side of the hill, on ice, the ABS never kicked in. Especially since i didn't have dedicated snow tires, just the TrueContact Tours....yep, must've been a dream.

BTW, I never could tell if I was in FWD or AWD. The transitions were seemless.

It's all about tires.

Tires matter a ton, but even using mediocre tires, AWD makes the magic happen while FWD/RWD will leave you stranded in many circumstances. No, it won't help you turn or stop, but it will help you out of the drive way.

No it won't.
I would take FWD or RWD with snow tires any day in snow over AWD with all seasons.
Again, people do not die because they do not go forward fast enough, but bcs they cannot stop fast enough.


Meh. I've never driven in snow that my tires couldn't handle just fine. Also, when I couldn't deal with it, it was black ice on a steep hill that nothing would have worked on short of a tank ripping into t he asphalt with metal treads.


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Meh. I've never driven in snow that my tires couldn't handle just fine. Also, when I couldn't deal with it, it was black ice on a steep hill that nothing would have worked on short of a tank ripping into t he asphalt with metal treads.


I agree. But the snow tire nazis must protest reality.

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When you drive 2mph they won't slip.
And yeah, probably you are lying. It is tin can after all.


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There's been a lot of stupidity in this thread, lately.

In deep, sticky, packy snow, AWD with crap tires will leave you with 4 tires spinning in the snow-tire-chock that gets formed. You have to have deep, wide tread to grip in that, just like in gumbo mud.

On cold pavement (40f and under), snow tire rubber will stop faster and corner harder than 'all-seasons'. (If you are buying 'summer' tires for extra grip, you're a fool not to buy 'winter' tires, when you need the grip even worse).

You won't stop fast enough in snow, with all-season tires. AWD/4WD won't make any difference. Snow tires will help stop you before you run over someone else's child. Or if you don't give a dmn about other people's kids, it'll help prevent that deer from crashing through your windshield, and decapitating you.

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There's been a lot of stupidity in this thread, lately.

In deep, sticky, packy snow, AWD with crap tires will leave you with 4 tires spinning in the snow-tire-chock that gets formed. You have to have deep, wide tread to grip in that, just like in gumbo mud.

On cold pavement (40f and under), snow tire rubber will stop faster and corner harder than 'all-seasons'. (If you are buying 'summer' tires for extra grip, you're a fool not to buy 'winter' tires, when you need the grip even worse).

You won't stop fast enough in snow, with all-season tires. AWD/4WD won't make any difference. Snow tires will help stop you before you run over someone else's child. Or if you don't give a dmn about other people's kids, it'll help prevent that deer from crashing through your windshield, and decapitating you.

Dude...noones kids are put playing on the roads I drive in a snow storm. No tire will stop you fast enough to miss a deer that lunges in front of you. Also, my Nokian wrg3s in 10 degree weather could not keep up with any of the all seasons I've used on the same vehicle in the corners. Nor were they any good in the rain. In snow and on ice, I couldn't tell a difference, what little snow I saw with them. All seasons are fine unless you go studded all-out snows, then Id argue there is a real difference.


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Hence the need for snow tires. Even the most sophisticated AWD system does nothing at all to help you stop. That said, I find trucks even worse for that sort of thing because the tail wants to come loose due to the massive weight difference. SUVs are a little more balanced.

Honestly probably the best thing for those conditions are chains/cables. But every state seems to have its own rules on when they can be used. Around here I believe it's only for designated chain conditions and they have to come off at the end of a chain-required area.

I haven't tried driving with them, but I'm pretty sure that there's a difference between ladder-style radial chains (that lose contact with the chain) and diagonal or other styles where there's always contact with the chain.

This guy is trying out chains in Yosemite Valley. He stops on the side and then tries to accelerate back onto the road. It still slips, but eventually digs in every time the chain contacts the road.




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