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High RPMs...thick or thin? #4977477
01/12/19 10:26 PM
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If you had a vehicle that was going to spend hour after hour at an RPM range of around 3-3500...would you be better off running a 0w20 or say a 0w40 assuming both were allowed by the OEM


2019 Toyota 4Runner 4x4 TRD
2019 Toyota Tacoma 4x4 TRD

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Re: High RPMs...thick or thin? [Re: Doublehaul] #4977479
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ON, Canada eh?
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0w40 for hour after hour repeatedly. Normal driving where this isn't the case (as a contrast) I would go with the 20wt no problem.

Last edited by StevieC; 01/12/19 10:30 PM.

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Re: High RPMs...thick or thin? [Re: Doublehaul] #4977486
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what vehicle? what engine? what load? 3500 in the parking lot?

what oil temps?

In general its ok to be thick you lose a little fuel economy in most engines

too thin can cause damage.. so I'd err on the side of thickness.

That all being said in a water cooled engine used normally (not raced or towing a load/trailer up a mountain for 30min or more.
its not all that important to use anything thicker than recommended.


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Re: High RPMs...thick or thin? [Re: Doublehaul] #4977490
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Oil pump will make plenty of pressure and flow at that RPM, keep it thin, or, hey, stock!

Going thicker will just bypass more and have less flow to take the heat away.

Re: High RPMs...thick or thin? [Re: Doublehaul] #4977492
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Given your login name...... 0w40 smile


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Re: High RPMs...thick or thin? [Re: Doublehaul] #4977503
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For the HTHS. If you have driven your Tacoma much on the interstate yet you will realize that anything over 70 mph the transmission will downshift from 6 to 5 and find its happy place in 4th if there is any headwind , hill or heavy load. So you will be in that rpm range a lot if you take many long interstate tripsat 75-80. The faster you go the higher the load due to the nature of driving a brick into the wind.
I am not afraid of 0w20, I am running my toyota care oil toward its 5k. Then the 0w40 goes in for 5k. One more toyota care oil change after that and I can run higher HTHS oil full time and push it a little longer perhaps.
I run nearly 400 miles, 240 of it @80 mph every couple of weeks, to and from where I work rotationally.
So hours of hours of sustained 3500 rpm and there is a load on it, the truck wouldn’t stick to 4th to stay in the power band if there wasn’t.

5th and 6th are more handy at 50-60mph, for fuel economy,

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Re: High RPMs...thick or thin? [Re: eljefino] #4977507
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Originally Posted by eljefino
Oil pump will make plenty of pressure and flow at that RPM, keep it thin, or, hey, stock!

Going thicker will just bypass more and have less flow to take the heat away.


Sorry mate, that's not how it all works.


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Re: High RPMs...thick or thin? [Re: eljefino] #4977510
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All of those post and you don’t understand that hydrodynamic lubrication tenacity improves with viscosity. You can not pump a fluid wedge into a journal bearing.
Originally Posted by eljefino
Oil pump will make plenty of pressure and flow at that RPM, keep it thin, or, hey, stock!

Going thicker will just bypass more and have less flow to take the heat away.


2018 Trd Pro 4Runner
2018 Tacoma off-road

Dealer 0w20 to M1 0w40 FS -it depends
Re: High RPMs...thick or thin? [Re: Doublehaul] #4977517
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0w-40.


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Re: High RPMs...thick or thin? [Re: Doublehaul] #4977531
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IF manufacturers allows both grades, I would go with the 0w40.


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Re: High RPMs...thick or thin? [Re: Doublehaul] #4977544
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That sounds like my OLD 1-ton F350 dually with 4.10 gears.... hours and hours at 3000+ RPM

SAE 30 and 15W-40 is all it has run on.... those HD (diesel type) oils will last you just fine


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Re: High RPMs...thick or thin? [Re: Doublehaul] #4977551
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Re: High RPMs...thick or thin? [Re: Doublehaul] #4977565
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We need more information. What is the oil temp, how many quarts of oil, the engine, load and a few more tidbits will help. In reality the OEM does similar testing with recommended grade prior to production.


make the inside of your engine oil cap white.
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Re: High RPMs...thick or thin? [Re: Doublehaul] #4977573
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Originally Posted by Doublehaul
If you had a vehicle that was going to spend hour after hour at an RPM range of around 3-3500...would you be better off running a 0w20 or say a 0w40 assuming both were allowed by the OEM

Same dilemma.
I need high rpm's to keep up and pass traffic on I70 going to ski. Once I hit I70 in Denver toward ski resorts I am above 4,5000 rpm's for 45 minutes or more, hitting regularly redline on altitude between 5,800ft and 12,000ft going up some really steep grades at that rpm.
I added last time 2qts of 0W40 (old version) i had left over from my CC I used once. But I am seriously thinking next week to switch completely to 0W40 FS.
How is your mpg on your Toyota's after switching to 0W40 (not my primary concern, just asking)?


15' Toyota Sienna AWD (Mobil1 5W30 EP+OEM filter).
11' VW Tiguan 2.0T (Castrol 0W40+MANN filter)
Re: High RPMs...thick or thin? [Re: Doublehaul] #4977580
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the latter.

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