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6.8mm to Replace Some 5.56 and 7.62 #4891899
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Re: 6.8mm to Replace Some 5.56 and 7.62 [Re: user52165] #4891921
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The tax payers pocket is truly bottomless.


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Re: 6.8mm to Replace Some 5.56 and 7.62 [Re: CT8] #4891931
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Originally Posted by CT8
The tax payers pocket is truly bottomless.


Of course, because our soldiers and Marines don't deserve anything developed in the last 50 years. In fact, think of the savings in ammunition costs if we went back to muskets!

The total cost of this program will be less than the rounding error of the cost of a squadron of F-35s.

Re: 6.8mm to Replace Some 5.56 and 7.62 [Re: user52165] #4891941
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err...and the rest of NATO?

I wonder if the COD fanboys are getting squeamish about being able to resell their .223/556

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Re: 6.8mm to Replace Some 5.56 and 7.62 [Re: user52165] #4891954
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.223/5.56 isn't going anywhere, and neither is 7.62.

Re: 6.8mm to Replace Some 5.56 and 7.62 [Re: user52165] #4891966
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The United States Army have been saying the same thing for the past 30 years. I could not even count all the "future infantry weapons" DoD has spent large on and later abandoned.

Re: 6.8mm to Replace Some 5.56 and 7.62 [Re: user52165] #4891967
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XM29 OICW (Objective Individual Combat Weapon) not to be confused with Advanced Individual Combat Weapon, and so on and so on, ad infinitum.

Not to be confused with Next Generation Squad Weapon.

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Re: 6.8mm to Replace Some 5.56 and 7.62 [Re: user52165] #4891988
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This is old news, but doesn't seem so here.

This is not the OICW program, and this is a relatively "cheap" program for the change that it is going to make. I'm including logistics chains, etc..

This program is likely going to happen.

Why?

Because we are having problems with M855 and others penetrating body armor. This is a deficiency that absolutely needs a solution for our warfighters. I believe most would agree, that they deserve this change.


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Re: 6.8mm to Replace Some 5.56 and 7.62 [Re: Reddy45] #4891991
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Originally Posted by Reddy45
.223/5.56 isn't going anywhere, and neither is 7.62.


I keep waiting for both to come back down to a $99 per 1000 rnds - wouldn't that be nice again.


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Re: 6.8mm to Replace Some 5.56 and 7.62 [Re: Timo325] #4891994
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Originally Posted by Timo325

Because we are having problems with M855 and others penetrating body armor. This is a deficiency that absolutely needs a solution for our warfighters. I believe most would agree, that they deserve this change.
I thought the M855A1 improved performance significantly, having more penetration than 7.62 M80 at longer ranges. Keep in mind the 556 was designed for AR-15s, it is good that they design a cartridge and weapons together. That might have been the problem in the past, changing calibers is not so drastic if you are introducing a new gun with it.


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Re: 6.8mm to Replace Some 5.56 and 7.62 [Re: user52165] #4892027
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If we had more of these, we wouldn't be talking about armor-penetrating capabilities...

Re: 6.8mm to Replace Some 5.56 and 7.62 [Re: maxdustington] #4892146
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Originally Posted by maxdustington
Originally Posted by Timo325

Because we are having problems with M855 and others penetrating body armor. This is a deficiency that absolutely needs a solution for our warfighters. I believe most would agree, that they deserve this change.
I thought the M855A1 improved performance significantly, having more penetration than 7.62 M80 at longer ranges. Keep in mind the 556 was designed for AR-15s, it is good that they design a cartridge and weapons together. That might have been the problem in the past, changing calibers is not so drastic if you are introducing a new gun with it.


I will only speak to what I know is open source, and to that I will add the credible statement below:

Gen. Mark Milley testified to the Senate Armed Services Committee that the service's current M855A1 Enhanced Performance Round will not defeat enemy body armor plates similar to the U.S. military-issue rifle plates such as the Enhanced Small Arms Protective Insert, or ESAPI.


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Re: 6.8mm to Replace Some 5.56 and 7.62 [Re: ArrestMeRedZ] #4892255
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Originally Posted by ArrestMeRedZ
Originally Posted by CT8
The tax payers pocket is truly bottomless.


Of course, because our soldiers and Marines don't deserve anything developed in the last 50 years. In fact, think of the savings in ammunition costs if we went back to muskets!

The total cost of this program will be less than the rounding error of the cost of a squadron of F-35s.

The caliber was an issue back in 1962 !!!


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Re: 6.8mm to Replace Some 5.56 and 7.62 [Re: ArrestMeRedZ] #4892256
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Originally Posted by ArrestMeRedZ
Originally Posted by CT8
The tax payers pocket is truly bottomless.


Of course, because our soldiers and Marines don't deserve anything developed in the last 50 years. In fact, think of the savings in ammunition costs if we went back to muskets!

The total cost of this program will be less than the rounding error of the cost of a squadron of F-35s.

The caliber was an issue back in 1962 !!! We are looking at a similar to a 7.62x39 ish performance, well a bit better.


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Re: 6.8mm to Replace Some 5.56 and 7.62 [Re: SubieRubyRoo] #4892263
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Originally Posted by SubieRubyRoo
If we had more of these, we wouldn't be talking about armor-penetrating capabilities...
Kinda heavy to tote.


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