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'82 Ford 200 (3.3L) I6 - Front Main / Timing Cover #4682041
03/02/18 09:18 AM
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Hey Guys,

I think I've finally found the source of the oil drip under my car, and I'm not sure I'm understanding the information I'm finding on seals for the front of the crankshaft. I'm finding two different seals (see attached). Is this right? Is there a seal in the block, and another in the timing cover? Everywhere I read on replacing the 'front seal' says it's done at the timing cover, but the parts information I'm finding contradicts this. Any help would be appreciated.



Re: '82 Ford 200 (3.3L) I6 - Front Main / Timing Cover [Re: WylieCoyote] #4682052
03/02/18 09:28 AM
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Looks like the same seal, Just different brand options.


99 Jeep WJ 4.7 190,000 Maxlife 10w30, Fram Ultra.
Re: '82 Ford 200 (3.3L) I6 - Front Main / Timing Cover [Re: WylieCoyote] #4682055
03/02/18 09:33 AM
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I was hoping that was the case, but these seals are different widths.

Re: '82 Ford 200 (3.3L) I6 - Front Main / Timing Cover [Re: WylieCoyote] #4682059
03/02/18 09:37 AM
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Marshfield , MA
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Generic advice follows. When I want to order parts or to look at the order parts go in. I search for an exploded diagram. If you have a 302, its an old Ford. Find a forum for the car and ask for advice. I've been on an E 28 forum since 2K. If somebody has a problem, we fix it on the interweb. grin2


'16 Camry LE STP synth 0w20 and STP filter. the Fridge

1994 Ranger ,the Rat, 5w30 dino, STP filter

'16 Camry SE, Valvoline HM 0w20 and OEM filter
Thick oil is better grin2
Re: '82 Ford 200 (3.3L) I6 - Front Main / Timing Cover [Re: WylieCoyote] #4682061
03/02/18 09:43 AM
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Yeah, I've been looking for conversations about this engine all morning. I keep finding people talking about their 1966 Mustangs with the I6, and their front main seal issues. I'v read through them, but am not giving them much credence, as I don't know if this engine was unchanged between 1966 and 1982. For all I know, they're not even related to each other. The 5.0 gets all the attention with this generation of Mustang, unfortunately. I could probably find 1,000 forum conversations about a front main seal on the V8.

Re: '82 Ford 200 (3.3L) I6 - Front Main / Timing Cover [Re: WylieCoyote] #4682196
03/02/18 12:11 PM
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I think it's the same seal. the different outer dia is still just rubber which will compress ever so slightly. just my opinion. there should not be an inner and outer seal.


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2015 crv (wifey!)
Re: '82 Ford 200 (3.3L) I6 - Front Main / Timing Cover [Re: WylieCoyote] #4682219
03/02/18 12:47 PM
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I was thinking it was odd to have two seals. Getting it fixed next week, tired of it decorating my driveway. Thanks everyone for the input.

Re: '82 Ford 200 (3.3L) I6 - Front Main / Timing Cover [Re: WylieCoyote] #4682316
03/02/18 02:25 PM
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I've rarely seen a crankshaft seal leak, at least not that much. What I have seen leak a lot however is the oil pump seal to the block, especially if the timing cover is also the oil pump housing. Is that how it is arranged in this engine?


1994 BMW 530i, 228K
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Re: '82 Ford 200 (3.3L) I6 - Front Main / Timing Cover [Re: WylieCoyote] #4682371
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Here's what I keep finding regarding the oil pump


Re: '82 Ford 200 (3.3L) I6 - Front Main / Timing Cover [Re: WylieCoyote] #4683065
03/03/18 10:39 AM
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I had to replace that seal on my 82 3.3L when I replaced the timing set. Also had to get a harmonic balancer from a boneyard because there was a bad groove worn in mine. Something to watch for.I only remember one "front" seal not two.

Last edited by Lubener; 03/03/18 10:41 AM.

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Re: '82 Ford 200 (3.3L) I6 - Front Main / Timing Cover [Re: WylieCoyote] #4683678
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blush Blindo here saw 3.2 as 302. ooops


'16 Camry LE STP synth 0w20 and STP filter. the Fridge

1994 Ranger ,the Rat, 5w30 dino, STP filter

'16 Camry SE, Valvoline HM 0w20 and OEM filter
Thick oil is better grin2
Re: '82 Ford 200 (3.3L) I6 - Front Main / Timing Cover [Re: WylieCoyote] #4683791
03/04/18 07:04 AM
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get the repair sleeve too.
otherwise its hit or miss on whether the new seal will ride in a different area of the balancer and avoid the groove worn into it.

Re: '82 Ford 200 (3.3L) I6 - Front Main / Timing Cover [Re: WylieCoyote] #4684943
03/05/18 10:02 AM
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Thanks for the tips everyone. Hoping this is the last issue for a while. Reality is starting to take hold that old cars are a rich man's hobby.

Re: '82 Ford 200 (3.3L) I6 - Front Main / Timing Cover [Re: WylieCoyote] #4685186
03/05/18 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted By: WylieCoyote
I was thinking it was odd to have two seals. Getting it fixed next week, tired of it decorating my driveway. Thanks everyone for the input.
If you have to get stuff like this repaired by pros, then, old cars aren't for you. Have you tried looking at Fairmont or Grenada sites?


'16 Camry LE STP synth 0w20 and STP filter. the Fridge

1994 Ranger ,the Rat, 5w30 dino, STP filter

'16 Camry SE, Valvoline HM 0w20 and OEM filter
Thick oil is better grin2
Re: '82 Ford 200 (3.3L) I6 - Front Main / Timing Cover [Re: WylieCoyote] #4685223
03/05/18 02:29 PM
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Yeah, I'm getting the impression that if you don't have access to a lift, and don't have a 6-foot tall chest full of tools, and don't have a garage space you can dedicate to a week-long project, you've lost the battle.

I hate to give up and sell it, because it will likely be at a loss due to all the money I've poured in since purchase, but sometimes you have to draw a line and cut.

I haven't been on the Fairmount / Grenada sites, but have learned a bit from the Mustang sites and the 4-Eye / Foxbody groups on Facebook. But no matter how much I learn, I don't feel equipped to embark on projects of this size that can quickly escalate into more serious stuff. The engine has to be pulled to even work on the rear main seal, for instance. I'm not equipped for that.

We'll see how things go after the leak is fixed and they get the brand new A/C to work more than 3 days in a row.

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