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Fleet and Travel Policy #4668024
02/16/18 04:30 PM
02/16/18 04:30 PM
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SD - South Dakota
meborder Offline OP
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Our fleet and travel department (vehicle owners) have decided that vehicles which utilize Dexos-1 oil shall be changed at 7,500 miles - regardless of the Oil Life Meter.

the problem I see, is that most of our vehicles indicate an oil change is needed in the 4,000 mile range due to severe use (lots of idle time).

i will be interesting to see what this decision does in the long term.

I'm considering springing for an Oil sample at 0% OLM and at 7,500 miles to see what the oil condition looks like. This would be on my own dime, and i doubt our fleet owners would care, but to satisfy my own sense of curiosity i just might do it anyway and submit it to them just for the fun of it.

ironically, vehicles that don't use Dexos-1 are to be changed at 4,000 miles regardless of the Oil Life Meter. and we get in as much trouble for changing late as we do early.

Clearly, not much thought went into these policies, other than the Dexos-1 oil changes cost more, so they need to be run out longer.

just thought I'd share.


Too many cars using too many different oils to list in 150 characters.
Re: Fleet and Travel Policy [Re: meborder] #4668028
02/16/18 04:36 PM
02/16/18 04:36 PM
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Cincinnati, OH, USA
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Pay for a UOA on a company owned fleet vehicle? I'd rather see them hoisted by their own petard and laugh hysterically when it blows up!


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Re: Fleet and Travel Policy [Re: meborder] #4668035
02/16/18 04:44 PM
02/16/18 04:44 PM
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Santa Barbara, CA
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I love how people treat Dexos as this huge thing. The techs at work that worked at a chain place before all make a big deal whenever we get a GM in, even a used car, that they will only put a Dexos oil in and that the Motorcraft in our bulk bins will somehow blow the car up. I get following specs, but on a vehicle that is obviously way out of even powertrain warranty, I don't see an issue with Motorcraft syn-blend. Plus the customers have a fit at the charge.

As for a fleet vehicle, that is your employers job to worry about. They will learn soon enough. It would be smart of them to have a rule to follow the OLM for any vehicle that has one.


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Re: Fleet and Travel Policy [Re: meborder] #4668036
02/16/18 04:46 PM
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OH
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Under our current fleet policy, GM and Ford engines are supposed to get 6K drains, even though all of these have IOLMs and the Dodges are supposed to get 5K drains.
This seems a little wasteful given the quality of current oils as well the generally recognized reliability of IOLMs.
You gotta love it when desk jockeys set the standards for maintenance on vehicles without regard to what the manufacturers have to say.


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Re: Fleet and Travel Policy [Re: meborder] #4668037
02/16/18 04:47 PM
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It is always interesting to know when the OLM hits 0% how good did the OLM do. But you really need to know the oil that went in.

Re: Fleet and Travel Policy [Re: meborder] #4668054
02/16/18 05:02 PM
02/16/18 05:02 PM
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USA
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DO IT! Sometimes going above and beyond may be a benefit. I did this for the hotel that I worked for. They were upgrading the horrible lighting in the vanity area. I brought in several different bulbs to show what was out there. My boss was thoroughly impressed. Just a thought. I got a large bonus when I quit.


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Re: Fleet and Travel Policy [Re: meborder] #4668379
02/16/18 11:32 PM
02/16/18 11:32 PM
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Midwest, Illinois
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Our current method...
Every 10k on the Ram Promaster City, no matter what the OLM says.
When that thing rings in at about 7k, toe the pedal 3 times to kick the nanny into stopping the nag screen and drive on.
Synthetic 0w20 is required though. I choose Valvoline.
It's a tool for me, but their car. They can do what they want.


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Re: Fleet and Travel Policy [Re: meborder] #4668402
02/17/18 12:27 AM
02/17/18 12:27 AM
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Tasmania, Australia
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How long does the company keep their vehicles? If only for 4 or 5 years, it'll probably make no difference at all to vehicle longevity as far as they're concerned.


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2006 Ford Falcon 4.0, 138,000km - Penrite Vantage 15w40, Ryco filter
Re: Fleet and Travel Policy [Re: meborder] #4668433
02/17/18 03:17 AM
02/17/18 03:17 AM
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Crawfordville FL
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You can always rat them out to the dealer, if it has an oil related failure.


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Re: Fleet and Travel Policy [Re: hpb] #4668439
02/17/18 04:06 AM
02/17/18 04:06 AM
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SD - South Dakota
meborder Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: hpb
How long does the company keep their vehicles? If only for 4 or 5 years, it'll probably make no difference at all to vehicle longevity as far as they're concerned.


Planned replacement is 100k miles regardless of age. Sometimes we have them to 120k if they aren't totally trashed. That 100k could be 8,000 hours, though depending on the driver and job it is on.

My co-workers truck is a 2016 Silverado with the 5.3. Currently he has 3,000 on the oil and the OLM is at 34%.

Last edited by meborder; 02/17/18 04:11 AM.

Too many cars using too many different oils to list in 150 characters.
Re: Fleet and Travel Policy [Re: bullwinkle] #4668487
02/17/18 07:00 AM
02/17/18 07:00 AM
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Reno, Nevada
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Reno, Nevada
Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
Pay for a UOA on a company owned fleet vehicle? I'd rather see them hoisted by their own petard and laugh hysterically when it blows up!


Hes doing it to learn and to satisfy his own curiosity.
A worthwhile and interesting project.

Re: Fleet and Travel Policy [Re: meborder] #4668907
02/17/18 04:23 PM
02/17/18 04:23 PM
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Tasmania, Australia
hpb Offline
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Originally Posted By: meborder
Originally Posted By: hpb
How long does the company keep their vehicles? If only for 4 or 5 years, it'll probably make no difference at all to vehicle longevity as far as they're concerned.


Planned replacement is 100k miles regardless of age. Sometimes we have them to 120k if they aren't totally trashed. That 100k could be 8,000 hours, though depending on the driver and job it is on.

My co-workers truck is a 2016 Silverado with the 5.3. Currently he has 3,000 on the oil and the OLM is at 34%.


Ok, so changing vehicles over every 160,000km, they aren't going to have any issues, in my opinion, and will save quite a bit of money on maintenance and downtime. Vehicles in our fleet are typically changed in the 100,000 to 150,000km range. Nearly all of them spend lots of time idling at job sites everyday. They are all serviced at 15,000km (9,300) intervals, except the Subarus, which are every 12,500km (7,800), per the book. None of them ever have engine issues. Ever. I know it's not the BITOG way, but I think your fleet manager is doing the right thing by extending OCI's.


MY16 Mitsubishi Outlander 2.2 diesel, 56,000km - Castrol 5w30
2006 Ford Falcon 4.0, 138,000km - Penrite Vantage 15w40, Ryco filter

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