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#4659677 - 02/08/18 05:34 AM 0W16 & 5W16
BlueOvalFitter Offline


Registered: 02/28/03
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Loc: Cajun Country, La.
Why haven't I seen these (2) oils in the stores yet? Are there ANY manufacturers engines that spec this oil? If your engine is spec'd 5W20, can this oil be used in said engine?

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#4659703 - 02/08/18 06:10 AM Re: 0W16 & 5W16 [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
Veilside Offline


Registered: 09/02/09
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Loc: Murfreesboro, TN
Newest Toyotas spec this weight.
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#4659704 - 02/08/18 06:13 AM Re: 0W16 & 5W16 [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
demarpaint Offline


Registered: 07/03/05
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Loc: NY
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
If your engine is spec'd 5W20, can this oil be used in said engine?


It has been discussed here a while back. Unless your engine was specifically designed to run on a 16 grade oil it would not be advisable to use it in an application calling for a 20 grade oil.
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#4659715 - 02/08/18 06:28 AM Re: 0W16 & 5W16 [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
BlueOvalFitter Offline


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I wanted to get more information on these 2 oils so I GOOGLED them. I was surprised to see that there is an 0W8 and an 0W12 engine oil in production as well. As of this reply, it's the first time I have ever heard of these 2 aforementioned oils. I would imagine they are very thin.

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#4659716 - 02/08/18 06:28 AM Re: 0W16 & 5W16 [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
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Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Why haven't I seen these (2) oils in the stores yet? Are there ANY manufacturers engines that spec this oil? If your engine is spec'd 5W20, can this oil be used in said engine?

Why would you want to?
You will get no benefit out of this.
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#4659718 - 02/08/18 06:33 AM Re: 0W16 & 5W16 [Re: Dallas69]
BlueOvalFitter Offline


Registered: 02/28/03
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Originally Posted By: Dallas69
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Why haven't I seen these (2) oils in the stores yet? Are there ANY manufacturers engines that spec this oil? If your engine is spec'd 5W20, can this oil be used in said engine?

Why would you want to?
You will get no benefit out of this.

Have you ever heard of the saying,"Reading is knowledge and knowledge is power!"
I like to be kept updated in certain areas as to use this information in the future if needed. thumbsup
That is okay with you, right?

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#4659720 - 02/08/18 06:38 AM Re: 0W16 & 5W16 [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
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Registered: 07/30/15
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I wonder if any earlier model year Toyotas will be back spec'd to 0W16? Are there any significant differences between the engines from 2017 to 2018 that would allow for 0w16?
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#4659728 - 02/08/18 06:54 AM Re: 0W16 & 5W16 [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
Spector Offline


Registered: 06/10/02
Posts: 3461
Loc: Chattanooga, TN
I was at Toyota dealer yesterday and noted the 0W16 on shelf. The rep stated that the new Camry spec is the 0W16. I inquired if the engine had changed or just a lower viscosity oil for mileage. He said it was a totally new engine design but could not state whether the XW20 weight would be acceptable. I did not see an owner's manual to see any options.

They had their 0W20 brand of synthetic on sale, 4.99 a quart, not bad for a dealer price.
We did discuss that the 0W16 may make sense in Canada but for TN, the climate is pretty moderate and hot summers so the old discussion of a 0W16 holding up yielding no new thoughts. So, assuming Toyota tested the oil enough to be comfortable in all climates.

The employees had no idea who developed/refined the oil for Toyota and nothing on the bottles either,

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#4659736 - 02/08/18 07:05 AM Re: 0W16 & 5W16 [Re: Spector]
demarpaint Offline


Registered: 07/03/05
Posts: 29758
Loc: NY
Originally Posted By: Spector
I was at Toyota dealer yesterday and noted the 0W16 on shelf. The rep stated that the new Camry spec is the 0W16. I inquired if the engine had changed or just a lower viscosity oil for mileage. He said it was a totally new engine design but could not state whether the XW20 weight would be acceptable. I did not see an owner's manual to see any options.

They had their 0W20 brand of synthetic on sale, 4.99 a quart, not bad for a dealer price.
We did discuss that the 0W16 may make sense in Canada but for TN, the climate is pretty moderate and hot summers so the old discussion of a 0W16 holding up yielding no new thoughts. So, assuming Toyota tested the oil enough to be comfortable in all climates.

The employees had no idea who developed/refined the oil for Toyota and nothing on the bottles either,



IIRC I read somewhere they are using different bearings, perhaps other parts were changed as well. It was designed to run on the "thinner oil." I would not chance that oil in a engine that wasn't designed with that grade of oil in mind. The risk vs. reward doesn't make any sense at all to me.
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#4659749 - 02/08/18 07:22 AM Re: 0W16 & 5W16 [Re: demarpaint]
BlueOvalFitter Offline


Registered: 02/28/03
Posts: 6003
Loc: Cajun Country, La.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Spector
I was at Toyota dealer yesterday and noted the 0W16 on shelf. The rep stated that the new Camry spec is the 0W16. I inquired if the engine had changed or just a lower viscosity oil for mileage. He said it was a totally new engine design but could not state whether the XW20 weight would be acceptable. I did not see an owner's manual to see any options.

They had their 0W20 brand of synthetic on sale, 4.99 a quart, not bad for a dealer price.
We did discuss that the 0W16 may make sense in Canada but for TN, the climate is pretty moderate and hot summers so the old discussion of a 0W16 holding up yielding no new thoughts. So, assuming Toyota tested the oil enough to be comfortable in all climates.

The employees had no idea who developed/refined the oil for Toyota and nothing on the bottles either,



IIRC I read somewhere they are using different bearings, perhaps other parts were changed as well. It was designed to run on the "thinner oil." I would not chance that oil in a engine that wasn't designed with that grade of oil in mind. The risk vs. reward doesn't make any sense at all to me.

I would have to agree with you on this. But, I wonder if someone HAS tried it and the results were not so good? ???

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#4659757 - 02/08/18 07:40 AM Re: 0W16 & 5W16 [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
Artem Offline


Registered: 10/30/10
Posts: 5117
Loc: Florida
Lol. I'm sure there have been plenty of your average Turbo Direct injected 4 bangers used for short trips who diluted the 0w20 oil in their sump by 2-3 points down to a 0w18 or so without any catastrophic engine failure. Maybe a pinch more engine wear if any.

I'm sure that oil is loaded with Moly or some other expensive anti wear additive to keep metal to metal contact at bay.

I would be interested in seeing this oil in a 0w20 spec mid 2000s engine. I say it will be just fine... temporarily. LOL
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#4659806 - 02/08/18 08:35 AM Re: 0W16 & 5W16 [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
demarpaint Offline


Registered: 07/03/05
Posts: 29758
Loc: NY
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Spector
I was at Toyota dealer yesterday and noted the 0W16 on shelf. The rep stated that the new Camry spec is the 0W16. I inquired if the engine had changed or just a lower viscosity oil for mileage. He said it was a totally new engine design but could not state whether the XW20 weight would be acceptable. I did not see an owner's manual to see any options.

They had their 0W20 brand of synthetic on sale, 4.99 a quart, not bad for a dealer price.
We did discuss that the 0W16 may make sense in Canada but for TN, the climate is pretty moderate and hot summers so the old discussion of a 0W16 holding up yielding no new thoughts. So, assuming Toyota tested the oil enough to be comfortable in all climates.

The employees had no idea who developed/refined the oil for Toyota and nothing on the bottles either,




IIRC I read somewhere they are using different bearings, perhaps other parts were changed as well. It was designed to run on the "thinner oil." I would not chance that oil in a engine that wasn't designed with that grade of oil in mind. The risk vs. reward doesn't make any sense at all to me.

I would have to agree with you on this. But, I wonder if someone HAS tried it and the results were not so good? ???


This is Bitog, if someone hasn't tried it someone will. Stay tuned!!!! wink
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#4659822 - 02/08/18 08:49 AM Re: 0W16 & 5W16 [Re: demarpaint]
Dallas69 Offline


Registered: 02/11/14
Posts: 1661
Loc: Texas
I wouldn't use it in an engine not specs for it.
And not in anything in the summer in the South.
But maybe someone here will give it a try.
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#4659850 - 02/08/18 09:25 AM Re: 0W16 & 5W16 [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
oldhp Offline


Registered: 06/28/12
Posts: 1622
Loc: USA
Pretty soon MMO will suffice for "thin motor oil" with extra cleaning to boot!!!
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#4659852 - 02/08/18 09:27 AM Re: 0W16 & 5W16 [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
grisby Offline


Registered: 04/02/16
Posts: 9
Loc: Pennsylvania
Advance Auto has the 0w16 here locally (Pennsylvania) in their Carquest brand
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