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Bicycle Unlocked #4653641
02/02/18 07:05 AM
02/02/18 07:05 AM
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San Antonio, TX
das_peikko Offline OP
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At the grocery store tonight was a fairly nice Gary Fisher mountain bike leaning up against a support column unlocked. I stayed with it for about 10 minutes guarding it. After awhile I decided to take the bike into the store and hand it over to the customer service people. I told them the bike was outside leaning against the store unlocked and that it could get stolen real easy. Surprisingly, the customer service people were not very impressed and gave me the impression that I was being annoying. They let me leave it there though.

Was that the right thing to do?

I remember 15 years ago, I had a Specialized Stump Jumper Comp full suspension mountain bike locked to a city light post with a very stout padlock and a 7/16'' thick steel braided cable. After I came back to it after eating lunch as Ralley's hamburgers, the padlock was still there but the cable was cut and the bike was gone. I remember the sickening feeling I felt that day and it comes back to me from time to time.

I was trying to save somebody else from the same pain.

Re: Bicycle Unlocked [Re: das_peikko] #4653642
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I had a Giant mountain bike stolen as a kid. It was an expensive lesson in just how miserable the world can be.


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Re: Bicycle Unlocked [Re: das_peikko] #4653644
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No. You moved someone's bike. When they come looking for it it won't be where they put it and they'll assume it was stolen.

Re: Bicycle Unlocked [Re: das_peikko] #4653647
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I generally try to leave other peoples stuff alone...

If the guy/gal who owns it doesnít feel it is necessary to lock it up, what makes you think your judgement is superior to his/her judgment on the subject?


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Re: Bicycle Unlocked [Re: eljefino] #4653650
02/02/18 07:15 AM
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das_peikko Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: eljefino
No. You moved someone's bike. When they come looking for it it won't be where they put it and they'll assume it was stolen.


But there's a good chance it might've gotten stolen for real.

Re: Bicycle Unlocked [Re: DuckRyder] #4653652
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Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
I generally try to leave other peoples stuff alone...

If the guy/gal who owns it doesnít feel it is necessary to lock it up, what makes you think your judgement is superior to his/her judgment on the subject?


Maybe the owner of the bike doesn't know how crooked the world is like I do.

Re: Bicycle Unlocked [Re: das_peikko] #4653654
02/02/18 07:17 AM
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It could have been a 'bait bicycle' and cops near by watching....?

If not, the person was dumb to leave bicycle without cable and lock.


Re: Bicycle Unlocked [Re: Mr Nice] #4653656
02/02/18 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
It could have been a 'bait bicycle' and cops near by watching....?


Or it could have been one of those hidden camera television shows where the person gets awarded a million dollars for going above and beyond the call of civil duty. grin2

Re: Bicycle Unlocked [Re: das_peikko] #4653671
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Or it could have been owned by a gang member.

If you found a 4 year old kid loitering would you move him/her?

Re: Bicycle Unlocked [Re: das_peikko] #4653674
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I tend to mind my own business, especially in some of the areas that surround me.


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Re: Bicycle Unlocked [Re: das_peikko] #4653676
02/02/18 07:51 AM
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No one's safety was compromised. Just a material good not a person in need. Let it go. Maybe it was stolen in the first place and 2nd owner did not care.

Re: Bicycle Unlocked [Re: das_peikko] #4653680
02/02/18 07:56 AM
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I had my Redline BMX bike stolen from my parent's house when I was 13,out of the garage. From then on I always kept my bikes in the house,and still do. Thieves should be publicly executed.


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Re: Bicycle Unlocked [Re: das_peikko] #4653697
02/02/18 08:34 AM
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1. Who owned it? You have no clue so who are you watching it for? 2. Anyone that rides a bike knows to lock it up. Most likely its a bait bike and you messed up the cops sting operation. Now one has to go get it and replant it again


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Re: Bicycle Unlocked [Re: das_peikko] #4653714
02/02/18 09:02 AM
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It must've been stolen already and the guy riding it left it there. Hopefully the customer service people turned it in to the police at the end of the day. I've left my bike unlocked outside a store but only where I could see it from inside.


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Re: Bicycle Unlocked [Re: das_peikko] #4653715
02/02/18 09:07 AM
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This is a philosophy question however unless you are a precog or you know for sure something is wrong you should let things lie and play out as if you were not there.

There are stories where well intentioned humans causing things to be worse than if the human did nothing or wasnt there. Especially when dealing with nature like picking up a baby animsl they think needs helpn or putting tortoises who can't swim into the water where they drown.
From your view you were sure the bike would be stolen, but that's a distorted view. The probability of that happening in reality is low even in high crime area. Who are you to say that the bike owner didnt already do all thesr mental calculations.

Also the cust service owes you nothing and they owes the bike owner nothing. There is no social contract that the store is running a bike check. Nobody asked you to do it. If you spent your time doing this that was your choice to do so, without any expectation of gratitude and even indifference or annoyance response due to the breach of social norms. You are now asking customer service to do something for a non present owner who maybe didnt want it anyway.

By the way Your actions are very similar to the first steps of a common con, so you are the one acting strangely.

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Re: Bicycle Unlocked [Re: das_peikko] #4653842
02/02/18 11:46 AM
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I would have left it sitting right were it was. You are correct that it might have gotten stolen and your intentions were good, but in the end it really wasn't your problem. I'm not surprised the customer service people were annoyed because now you made it THEIR problem.

Re: Bicycle Unlocked [Re: das_peikko] #4653846
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There is a distinct possibility that the owner of that bike is a drug runner or go between. In our area that is common. I donít touch anyone elseís property period.


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Re: Bicycle Unlocked [Re: das_peikko] #4653919
02/02/18 01:42 PM
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Last summer, I was out on the sidewalk on W 58th St in NYC getting a fuel oil delivery for my generators, about 1200 gallons, so I was out there a while. A woman rode up on a new looking bicycle and proceeded to lock it up in front of the building about ten feet from where I was standing. She called out to me and asked if I was going to be there a while, I said I would and she asked if I wouldn't mind watching her "baby". I replied I would as long as I was out there.
She goes inside...
I look at the bike and realize she only locked the front wheel to the pole without going through the frame. I was busy watching people walking by the fuel fill and keeping them from stepping in the open manhole.
After the truck left, I stayed outside hoping to show her the correct way to lock up a bike but she must have been on a job interview or something. She took too long. Hopefully, no one took her bike.

Re: Bicycle Unlocked [Re: das_peikko] #4653940
02/02/18 02:17 PM
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I did see a guy once trying to chase down another guy on a bike. I was walking down the street and some guy riding a bike went by me, he was somewhat unstable on it which is why I noticed it in the first place. A minute or two later, a guy came running behind the bike and shouting. The bike was probably two blocks ahead of me and I thought he was a little nuts thinking he could catch a bike on foot. He somehow flagged down a police cruiser a block or two later and I walked past him later while he was talking to it. Not sure if he ever got his bike back.

Re: Bicycle Unlocked [Re: das_peikko] #4653958
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Re: Bicycle Unlocked [Re: das_peikko] #4653962
02/02/18 02:41 PM
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You did (or tried to do) a good thing. many bicycles around here don't get locked up. twice I have found bicycles sitting in my side yard. when I notice them i put them somewhere secure. in both cases we eventually found the owner; in both cases it was irresponsible owners who set the bike down to go play; and didn't come back for days. in one case the kid grabbed his sisters bike; and did not want to fess up when his mom called the police to report it as stolen.

this thread is an interesting case study: around here it is unusual to find someone who cares and tried to help. up by my moms people will bend over backwards to help. once time we just stopped on the side of the road to pick raspberries; three different people stopped to see if we had car trouble. last Labor day we were towing mom's boat to winter storage when the engine in my brothers truck threw a rod. of course this was 11pm on a holiday Sunday night. after spending an hour on the phone with AAA.... there was no sign of getting towing that night. time to abandon. anyway, 15 minutes into our fiasco, someone stopped by to see if they could help. nope. blown engine. they then asked if they could deliver our boat for us instead of leaving it on the side of the road or trying to get a tow truck to take it. uh... ok. he delivered the boat to storage 1 mile down the road. he also offered to take us back 35 miles to mom's house. not needed; we had help on the way.

anyway; just huge cultural differences.

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Re: Bicycle Unlocked [Re: das_peikko] #4654066
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You did a good thing. Wish more people were like that.


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Re: Bicycle Unlocked [Re: OneEyeJack] #4654074
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Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack



Can't believe none of them noticed the cable.


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Re: Bicycle Unlocked [Re: das_peikko] #4654225
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The legal system assumes you're a liar. Once you move that bike you're a thief. You will be judged that way because of all the others that have preceded you. There is no concept of being a "good guy". You may be innocent until proven guilty but you are assumed to be guilty.

Re: Bicycle Unlocked [Re: OneEyeJack] #4654440
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Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
The legal system assumes you're a liar. Once you move that bike you're a thief. You will be judged that way because of all the others that have preceded you. There is no concept of being a "good guy". You may be innocent until proven guilty but you are assumed to be guilty.


Yep. It's amazing how many of those same stories are told when they have a bait car set up. A large number of them just say they're moving it for safety or some other lie, but of course the cops don't believe them because they have video of them licking their chops when they get in the car.

Re: Bicycle Unlocked [Re: john_pifer] #4656521
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Originally Posted By: john_pifer
Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack


Can't believe none of them noticed the cable.

Some of those joy riders looked drunk, so not surprised they didn't see the cable.

Even though it's funny to see the bike stealers crash at the end of the bike's leash, the dude that setup the bait bike could have probably been sued for causing injury. Think some of those joy ridets are now singing soprano. eek

Re: Bicycle Unlocked [Re: das_peikko] #4656556
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Sounds like you need to be a mall cop and you can be paid for being a watch dog.


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Re: Bicycle Unlocked [Re: ZeeOSix] #4657954
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Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Some of those joy riders looked drunk, so not surprised they didn't see the cable.

Even though it's funny to see the bike stealers crash at the end of the bike's leash, the dude that setup the bait bike could have probably been sued for causing injury. Think some of those joy riders are now singing soprano. eek


Yeah, it was funny but wrong. One guy looked like his head bounced off the sidewalk. May have had a concussion or a head injury. Now they'll walk into the emergency room and said they fell off a bike, but not mention whose bike it was.

Re: Bicycle Unlocked [Re: Wolf359] #4658039
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Originally Posted By: Wolf359
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Some of those joy riders looked drunk, so not surprised they didn't see the cable.

Even though it's funny to see the bike stealers crash at the end of the bike's leash, the dude that setup the bait bike could have probably been sued for causing injury. Think some of those joy riders are now singing soprano. eek


Yeah, it was funny but wrong. One guy looked like his head bounced off the sidewalk. May have had a concussion or a head injury. Now they'll walk into the emergency room and said they fell off a bike, but not mention whose bike it was.

The way they looked around before taking the bike, It wasn't the first time......


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Re: Bicycle Unlocked [Re: das_peikko] #4663240
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I keep my old bike unlocked so if people like you move it I can get a new bike.

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