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#4635052 - 01/14/18 07:33 PM Rec. Filter for Updtated Pentastar? 2018 Wrangler
IndyFan Offline


Registered: 06/16/05
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Loc: Danville, Indiana
I run Fram Ultras in my vehicles with spin on filters, but don't know much about cartridge filters. What does BITOG say about them? Recommendations for a new updated (gen 2) Pentastar?
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#4635068 - 01/14/18 07:46 PM Re: Rec. Filter for Updtated Pentastar? 2018 Wrangler [Re: IndyFan]
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Fram Ultra XG11665

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#4635069 - 01/14/18 07:47 PM Re: Rec. Filter for Updtated Pentastar? 2018 Wrangler [Re: IndyFan]
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Use Fram or Mobil filters.

According to Scotty Kilmer (with 50 years of experience as mechanic, just to stfu the critics) cartridge filters are old tech and tend to make a mess, but they do the same work as a spin-on filter.
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#4635080 - 01/14/18 07:55 PM Re: Rec. Filter for Updtated Pentastar? 2018 Wrangler [Re: FermeLaPorte]
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Originally Posted By: FermeLaPorte
Use Fram or Mobil filters.

According to Scotty Kilmer (with 50 years of experience as mechanic, just to stfu the critics) cartridge filters are old tech and tend to make a mess, but they do the same work as a spin-on filter.


That statement doesn't make any sense. I can change the carts on my two cars and the previous GM Ecotecs I had without a drop of oil spilling anywhere. Unscrew a spin on filter and you get an arm full of oil.

For the Pentastar, the Wix does well.
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#4635094 - 01/14/18 08:04 PM Re: Rec. Filter for Updtated Pentastar? 2018 Wrangler [Re: IndyFan]
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When you change a spin on filter, you remove all the debris that is trapped in the can with the filter.
When you remove a cartridge filter there is a chance that the dirty oil and some debris on the surface of the media can remain in the engine.

That said, I really like the cartridge filter in my ecotec.

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#4635171 - 01/14/18 09:15 PM Re: Rec. Filter for Updtated Pentastar? 2018 Wrangler [Re: IndyFan]
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Is there any difference in construction on the Fram XG11655 and others, or is it just the media on each that is different? I had an Ecotec in a 2006 Solstice, and never lost a drip with an oil change. (Man, I miss that car!)
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#4635272 - 01/14/18 11:54 PM Re: Rec. Filter for Updtated Pentastar? 2018 Wrangler [Re: IndyFan]
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Registered: 01/12/18
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Loc: Rockies
The fram XG 11655 is what i've been using. It seems to be a better constructed filter than the Mopar and they're the same price. Every time i look at the MO-349 it looks worse .

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#4635306 - 01/15/18 01:22 AM Re: Rec. Filter for Updtated Pentastar? 2018 Wrangler [Re: IndyFan]
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Registered: 06/08/17
Posts: 184
Loc: NY
Running the fram XG myself at the moment. We'll see what she looks like at 8k miles.
Unless you went and broke something those engines don't make anything to filter out in the first place.

With the cart filter in the 3.6 you dump the filtered junk into the oil pan when you remove it. It doesn't drain back until you open the housing. Remove oil after filter and all the bits are gone.

Whatever's left gets filtered ASAP when you start again. It's the first stop after the oil pickup.

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#4635348 - 01/15/18 03:42 AM Re: Rec. Filter for Updtated Pentastar? 2018 Wrangler [Re: IndyFan]
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Registered: 09/30/13
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Loc: Indiana
The risk of an Ultra cartridge coming apart wouldn't be worth it to me.

I just use the Mopar in my brother's Jeep. They always seem to look good here even after 10k. His hasn't seem that sort of mileage yet.
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#4635381 - 01/15/18 06:10 AM Re: Rec. Filter for Updtated Pentastar? 2018 Wrangler [Re: IndyFan]
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Registered: 06/16/05
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Loc: Danville, Indiana
Is the Mopar equivalent the MO-744, or does the updated Pentastar spec a new one? I'll be doing the Jeep Wave program, which comes with new Jeeps and gives you the first 4 oil changes for free at the dealership. I'll be curious as to what oils they'll offer. Whatever it is, free makes them sound great!


Edited by IndyFan (01/15/18 06:11 AM)
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#4635384 - 01/15/18 06:17 AM Re: Rec. Filter for Updtated Pentastar? 2018 Wrangler [Re: dlundblad]
Kira Offline


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DdDd said,
"With the cart filter in the 3.6 you dump the filtered junk into the oil pan when you remove it." HOW? Does that extending thing open a valve or something?

"It doesn't drain back until you open the housing." How?

"Remove oil after filter and all the bits are gone." That I get (I suppose). The filter housing oil drains into the pan.

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#4635389 - 01/15/18 06:25 AM Re: Rec. Filter for Updtated Pentastar? 2018 Wrangler [Re: WobblyElvis]
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Registered: 07/03/05
Posts: 29404
Loc: NY
Originally Posted By: WobblyElvis
When you change a spin on filter, you remove all the debris that is trapped in the can with the filter.
When you remove a cartridge filter there is a chance that the dirty oil and some debris on the surface of the media can remain in the engine.

That said, I really like the cartridge filter in my ecotec.


I've never seen much dirty oil or any debris on the side of the filter housing, it looks nice and clean in fact. I'd be more concerned of the 1/2 quart of more of dirty oil that doesn't come out in many applications when an oil change is done.

That said I really like the cartridge filters too. Especially if you like to use a filter for 2 OCIs. You can unscrew the cap, drain the housing, inspect the filter, and use it again.
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#4635499 - 01/15/18 08:47 AM Re: Rec. Filter for Updtated Pentastar? 2018 Wrangler [Re: IndyFan]
Konstantine Offline


Registered: 01/12/18
Posts: 44
Loc: Rockies
No, it's the MO-349. Anyone with half a brain could look at both filters and determine that the Fram filter is the better constructed filter.

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#4635507 - 01/15/18 08:52 AM Re: Rec. Filter for Updtated Pentastar? 2018 Wrangler [Re: IndyFan]
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Cartridge filters are old tech. They were the first type of filters usen on engines with filters. I hated them when we had equipment at work with a cartridge filter.That being said the one on my 2015 Ford is on the top andpointed in the proper direction for super easy changes [other than the Orings]
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#4635698 - 01/15/18 12:16 PM Re: Rec. Filter for Updtated Pentastar? 2018 Wrangler [Re: IndyFan]
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Registered: 12/08/10
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I changed a cartridge filter many times on the 1950 Mercury coupe that my grandfather bought new. It was a bypass, not full flow.
It's an interesting point, what prevents dirt in the housing from flowing back into the engine on a top mounted cartridge?

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