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BMW 335d w/o DPF - M1 TDT or RT6? #4577229
11/17/17 04:57 PM
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Davll Offline OP
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The DPF/SCR fell off my BMW 335d...

Looking to use either Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck or Shell Rotella T6 (both easily accessible in Canada), as those seem to be the most commonly used/recommended 5w-40 oils for the 35ds, as I don't need a low-ash LL-04 compliance anymore.

What would be be the consensus recommendation in this scenario? For DPF-deleted BMWs, is LL-01 something that I should still be looking to conform to?


I read elsewhere that Shell is only Group III, but Mobil has been using Group IV production. Is this true, and does it make a difference?

Last edited by Davll; 11/17/17 05:08 PM.
Re: BMW 335d w/o DPF - M1 TDT or RT6? [Re: Davll] #4577232
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There's no reason to really avoid an LL-01 oil. Look at the price of TDT versus M1 0w-40 or Castrol 0w-40. European oils in A3/B4 can be found in decent sized containers at decent prices, at least on sale.


Plain, simple Garak.

2008 Infiniti G37 - Shell ROTELLA T6 Multi-Vehicle 5w-30, Wix 57356
1984 F-150 4.9L - Quaker State GB 10w-30, Wix 51515
Re: BMW 335d w/o DPF - M1 TDT or RT6? [Re: Davll] #4577364
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With DPF = BMW LL-04 and ACEA C3
With Out DPF = BMW LL-01 and ACEA A3/B4

Castrol Edge 0W40 is what I would use.

Still nothing wrong with M1 TDT or Rotella T6 as an oil, they are good stuff, but why not use BMW LL-01 if you can.


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Castrol GTX Ultraclean 15W40 A3/B3 + Wesfil-Cooper Z154
Re: BMW 335d w/o DPF - M1 TDT or RT6? [Re: Davll] #4577365
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I thought the new CK-4 T6 was primarily composed of GTL derived group III basestocks. I would use amsoil AME 15w40 in your situation.

Re: BMW 335d w/o DPF - M1 TDT or RT6? [Re: CleverUserName] #4577368
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Originally Posted By: CleverUserName
I thought the new CK-4 T6 was primarily composed of GTL derived group III basestocks. I would use amsoil AME 15w40 in your situation.

Is that bad?


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Re: BMW 335d w/o DPF - M1 TDT or RT6? [Re: Davll] #4577429
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You could use an LL01 oil, or:

Mobil Delvac 1
Chevron Delo
Mobil TDT
Rotella T6

My order of preference.


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Re: BMW 335d w/o DPF - M1 TDT or RT6? [Re: kschachn] #4577431
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Originally Posted By: kschachn
Originally Posted By: CleverUserName
I thought the new CK-4 T6 was primarily composed of GTL derived group III basestocks. I would use amsoil AME 15w40 in your situation.

Is that bad?


No, they have the same shortcomings as other G III basestocks. Both M1 TDT and T6 are now primarily composed of GTL DISTILLATES, HEAVY, C18-50 - BRANCHED, CYCLIC AND LINEAR. They are value engineered products with an attractive price which allows them to be sold at Walmart.

If the OP wants a primarily group IV or V oil then he will need to look at other manufacturers to find what he is looking for.

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Re: BMW 335d w/o DPF - M1 TDT or RT6? [Re: CleverUserName] #4577451
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Originally Posted By: CleverUserName
I thought the new CK-4 T6 was primarily composed of GTL derived group III basestocks. I would use amsoil AME 15w40 in your situation.


Cmon, the guy lives in Canada!


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Re: BMW 335d w/o DPF - M1 TDT or RT6? [Re: Virtus_Probi] #4577469
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Originally Posted By: Virtus_Probi
Originally Posted By: CleverUserName
I thought the new CK-4 T6 was primarily composed of GTL derived group III basestocks. I would use amsoil AME 15w40 in your situation.


Cmon, the guy lives in Canada!


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Re: BMW 335d w/o DPF - M1 TDT or RT6? [Re: Davll] #4577706
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Castrol 0W40. Better then both oils you are considering.


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11' VW Tiguan 2.0T (Castrol 0W40+MANN filter)
Re: BMW 335d w/o DPF - M1 TDT or RT6? [Re: edyvw] #4577969
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Originally Posted By: edyvw
Castrol 0W40. Better then both oils you are considering.

And, on special, 45% cheaper than the TDT, unless one takes a road trip south.


Plain, simple Garak.

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Re: BMW 335d w/o DPF - M1 TDT or RT6? [Re: CleverUserName] #4578085
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Originally Posted By: CleverUserName
No, they have the same shortcomings as other G III basestocks. Both M1 TDT and T6 are now primarily composed of GTL DISTILLATES, HEAVY, C18-50 - BRANCHED, CYCLIC AND LINEAR. They are value engineered products with an attractive price which allows them to be sold at Walmart.

Like what exactly? I'm referring to these finished oils in particular. What are their specific shortcomings?


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