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Timing Belt Questions #4576695
11/17/17 06:09 AM
11/17/17 06:09 AM
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West Chester, PA
artbuc Offline OP
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I have a Mitsuboshi CD304 timing belt from an Aisin kit. It is pliable and hangs in a smooth loop. I also got a Bando TB307 belt which is required for my application. The Bando belt is very stiff and has 4 bends that are set in the belt. That is, the weight of the hanging belt does not straighten the bends. The Amazon seller removed the belt from its Bando box and then jammed the belt and the Bando box in a smaller outer box for shipping. Iím going to ask Bando about this but was wondering what you folks thought. I remember installing a Gates timing belt that was stiff similar to the Bando belt. It worked fine but was noisy. After a couple months I replaced it with a Mitsuboshi belt which was much quieter. Thanks.

Last edited by artbuc; 11/17/17 06:14 AM.
Re: Timing Belt Questions [Re: artbuc] #4576696
11/17/17 06:26 AM
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I would return that belt.


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Re: Timing Belt Questions [Re: artbuc] #4576705
11/17/17 06:43 AM
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Use only Mitsuboshi or Aisin(KITS) when it comes to timing belts and their related parts(tensioners, oil seals, water pumps).


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Re: Timing Belt Questions [Re: artbuc] #4576712
11/17/17 07:17 AM
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I don't know. The Band is a drive belt, right? Power steering, alternator, AC?


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Re: Timing Belt Questions [Re: JC1] #4576755
11/17/17 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted By: JC1
I would return that belt.


Agree. Just affixed return label.

Re: Timing Belt Questions [Re: Gebo] #4576756
11/17/17 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted By: Gebo
I don't know. The Band is a drive belt, right? Power steering, alternator, AC?


Huh?

Re: Timing Belt Questions [Re: artbuc] #4576761
11/17/17 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted By: artbuc
Originally Posted By: Gebo
I don't know. The Band is a drive belt, right? Power steering, alternator, AC?


Huh?


Your Bando belt is not the timing belt, correct? It's one of the skinny belts for the PS. ALT or AC.

IF it is not the timing belt, I'd put in on. I don't think it would ever "relax" out like the thinner more pliable timing belt.

Last edited by Gebo; 11/17/17 08:33 AM.

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Re: Timing Belt Questions [Re: artbuc] #4576762
11/17/17 08:29 AM
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Both timing belts are they? The Bando is a good belt no reason not to use it, a serpentine belt (I assume the Bando) is constructed differently than a timing belt.


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Re: Timing Belt Questions [Re: artbuc] #4576778
11/17/17 08:45 AM
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Sorry for the confusion. The Bando is also timing belt. Had to buy because the Mitsuboshi timing belt in the Aisin kit does not fit but all other parts do. I have had very good experience with both Bando and Mitsuboshi timing belts. But I never got one that was repackaged in a way that caused bends in the belt that have such a set the belt wonít straighten itself under its own weight.

Re: Timing Belt Questions [Re: artbuc] #4576791
11/17/17 08:55 AM
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Gotcha! In my packages I had got the Bando as one or both of the serpentine belts. That's why I was asking. If the timing belt is all cattywampus, yeah, I'd send it back. At least I'd sleep better at night


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Re: Timing Belt Questions [Re: artbuc] #4576803
11/17/17 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted By: artbuc
Had to buy because the Mitsuboshi timing belt in the Aisin kit does not fit but all other parts do.

That didn't raise any red flags that you may have the wrong kit?

Originally Posted By: artbuc
But I never got one that was repackaged in a way that caused bends in the belt that have such a set the belt wonít straighten itself under its own weight.

I have, twice. It's not a cause for concern. Bends are fine. Kinks are what you need to worry about.

Re: Timing Belt Questions [Re: Bottom_Feeder] #4576824
11/17/17 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted By: Bottom_Feeder
Originally Posted By: artbuc
Had to buy because the Mitsuboshi timing belt in the Aisin kit does not fit but all other parts do.

That didn't raise any red flags that you may have the wrong kit?

Originally Posted By: artbuc
But I never got one that was repackaged in a way that caused bends in the belt that have such a set the belt wonít straighten itself under its own weight.

I have, twice. It's not a cause for concern. Bends are fine. Kinks are what you need to worry about.


Guess it is hard to tell the difference between a bend and a kink. Re the kit, yes I had to carefully check and recheck OEM part numbers. The kit is for Subaru Foresters and Imprezas which use a modified curvilinear timing belt. The Outback uses all of the other parts except it takes a curvilinear belt. The only other part in question was the cog idler which took a little sorting out. I bought an OEM as backup but donít think I will need it.

Re: Timing Belt Questions [Re: artbuc] #4576891
11/17/17 10:27 AM
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Re: Timing Belt Questions [Re: Yah-Tah-Hey] #4576955
11/17/17 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted By: HosteenJorje
OEM


For timing belt, cog idler or everything? Everything in the kit except Mitsuboshi belt is OEM or equivalent - NTN tensioner, Koyo and NSK idlers and the made in Japan Aisin WP which almost certainly was sourced from Yamada.

Re: Timing Belt Questions [Re: artbuc] #4577019
11/17/17 12:16 PM
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We get Gates and Conti timing belts all the time that have some bends in them, as long as they're not creased its not a problem.


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