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#4570441 - 11/11/17 01:19 AM Options for an oil burner
Ammofirst Offline


Registered: 06/22/17
Posts: 353
Loc: Western usa
A friend of mine has a 2011Toyota Prius 3 : 2ZR-FXE : 1.8L 4 cyl. with 95k on it. Heís having to add about 1 quart every 900-1000 miles, it holds 4.4Qts of Ow-20. Second owner at 50k. He says there are no leaks he can see on the driveway or elsewhere. From what heís told me it sounds like the engine has always been driven very easy, all low revís. Iím no mechanic but it sounds like carbon / gunk formed on the piston rings or ring lands. The way they get driven it seems like destiny. Any options for him ? Iíve heard the Kroil application mentioned in the past. Thanks

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#4570442 - 11/11/17 01:32 AM Re: Options for an oil burner [Re: Ammofirst]
rubberchicken Offline


Registered: 07/07/08
Posts: 399
Loc: Maryland USA
Get a leakdown test and find out exactly what is worn. Next best option is a compression test. Perhaps consider using a 0w30 like Amsoil or even a 5w30 to slow the oil consumption rate.

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#4570448 - 11/11/17 02:26 AM Re: Options for an oil burner [Re: Ammofirst]
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If there are no drips on the ground then he needs to look at rings, stem seals, guides and PCV.
They're the only places the leak can happen.

Mechanical repairs > bottled snake oil.
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#4570491 - 11/11/17 05:02 AM Re: Options for an oil burner [Re: Ammofirst]
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Edited this after reading (below) that there was a recall. Get that done first IMO!
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#4570493 - 11/11/17 05:03 AM Re: Options for an oil burner [Re: Ammofirst]
mehullica Offline


Registered: 08/19/09
Posts: 554
Loc: Modesto,CA
Toyota has updated piston rings for this issue. Not sure if they extended the warranty like they did on the 2.4l engine

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#4570496 - 11/11/17 05:06 AM Re: Options for an oil burner [Re: Olas]
krismoriah72 Offline


Registered: 02/16/09
Posts: 1519
Loc: wv
There is a TSB on this.

Long story short - defective pistons and rings need to be replaced.

A friend of mine picked one up last year for very cheap to find out later why it was so cheap.

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#4570529 - 11/11/17 06:09 AM Re: Options for an oil burner [Re: Ammofirst]
Ammofirst Offline


Registered: 06/22/17
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Loc: Western usa
Oh man, heís not going to like that. Sounds like people past the warranty are on their own. Maybe Iíll have him start with the PCV valve and see what happens from there. Itís probably never been changed. There are also people posting about using 0W-40 with some success. I didnít realize so many Toyotaís were oil burners.

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#4570535 - 11/11/17 06:29 AM Re: Options for an oil burner [Re: Ammofirst]
2004tdigls Offline


Registered: 10/31/11
Posts: 484
Loc: maple ridge, bc
my neighbour's toyota yaris has the same problem, she is out of warranty and simply can't afford to fix the engine. it drank oil like a freshman at a keg party

I changed the oil and put in a HDEO CJ 15w40 and the oil consumption stopped entirely

and yes I realize that this is not the approved viscosity, but with a an oil burner who really cares?

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#4570560 - 11/11/17 07:20 AM Re: Options for an oil burner [Re: Ammofirst]
d00df00d Offline


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Originally Posted By: Ammofirst
Oh man, heís not going to like that. Sounds like people past the warranty are on their own. Maybe Iíll have him start with the PCV valve and see what happens from there.

Then definitely have the problem diagnosed before doing anything else.

A PCV valve change is a good call. Can't hurt.

If it really does look like the rings are stuck due to carbon, one option is to find a Cummins distributor and try to get Valvoline Premium Blue Restore. It's a fully formulated engine oil designed to fix oil consumption due to carbon buildup in the rings of Cummins ISX engines. TONS of ester, on the order of 30 to 50 percent. It's marketed by Cummins as a service event, not as a regular oil, but distributors should carry the oil. Insanely expensive for an engine oil, but probably a lot cheaper than a rebuild.
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#4570582 - 11/11/17 07:44 AM Re: Options for an oil burner [Re: Ammofirst]
Ammofirst Offline


Registered: 06/22/17
Posts: 353
Loc: Western usa
Thanks, never heard of that oil. I think Iíll have him do an engine flush (amsoil or similar product) Change the PCV valve and fill the crank case with some 40wt oil. I think Mobil 0W-40 is only 3.6 HTHS is wcastrol or pennzoil 0w-40 any thicker ? Would a gas additive with a high dose of PEA help any ?

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#4570601 - 11/11/17 08:11 AM Re: Options for an oil burner [Re: Ammofirst]
Artem Offline


Registered: 10/30/10
Posts: 5117
Loc: Florida
Originally Posted By: Ammofirst
I think Iíll have him fill the crank case with some 40wt oil. I think Mobil 0W-40...


I think using what is essentially a high end synthetic oil in an engine that burns a quart every 1k miles is silly. Not only will the initial fill up be more expensive then necessary, all the oil top off during say a 5k OCI will be more expensive then pouring in something cheap.

The engine is clearly defective, as per Toyota admitting it themselves. Either fix it properly (out of pocket or try pressuring Toyota to cover the bill) or just dump some 10w40 conventional in there and hope it helps to slow down the consumption.
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#4570611 - 11/11/17 08:27 AM Re: Options for an oil burner [Re: krismoriah72]
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Registered: 10/22/09
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Loc: Wet side WA
Originally Posted By: krismoriah72
There is a TSB on this.

Long story short - defective pistons and rings need to be replaced.

A friend of mine picked one up last year for very cheap to find out later why it was so cheap.



Yes and for those cars out of warranty well sounds like an absolutely great time and place for a class action lawsuit.
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#4570612 - 11/11/17 08:28 AM Re: Options for an oil burner [Re: Ammofirst]
Cujet Offline


Registered: 02/15/03
Posts: 7163
Loc: Jupiter, Florida
There are a number of people having real success with higher viscosity synthetic oils in the oil consuming Prius engines. I'd suggest Mobil 1, 10W-40 High Mileage as a first step. People have even moved to 20W-50 in the Prius engine with good results.

Keep in mind that the synthetic higher viscosity oils are thinner in extreme cold, vs a conventional oil.
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#4570621 - 11/11/17 08:34 AM Re: Options for an oil burner [Re: Ammofirst]
Ammofirst Offline


Registered: 06/22/17
Posts: 353
Loc: Western usa
That might be a better choice, thanks. HTHS number for that 10W-40 HM Mobil 1 (if memory serves) is 3.9

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#4570678 - 11/11/17 09:39 AM Re: Options for an oil burner [Re: Olas]
gfh77665 Offline


Registered: 09/01/08
Posts: 3799
Loc: Southeast Texas
Originally Posted By: Olas
If there are no drips on the ground then he needs to look at rings, stem seals, guides and PCV.
They're the only places the leak can happen.


This.

If you want to try something before getting into mechanical repairs, try RESTORE. No its not a miracle cure but it does line cylinder walls with tiny metallic particles that boosts compression, all for less than $10.

After that, try a "high mileage" oil like MaxLife, one viscosity grade up.

Give this strategy a chance first.

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