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I am conflicted #4528969
09/29/17 12:08 AM
09/29/17 12:08 AM
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victoria bc canada
Markl50 Offline OP
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Up until now, Merc Marquis was under warranty and had to get oil changed every six months. Fine.
Warranty now up. Where I am at moment- 7 months in, 3000 km, 108 running hours, oil looks almost new on stick, ( ya I know about the colour thing.)
Have Mobil 1, fl820 and 6oz of gm eos in wings. Should I wait for more mileage, or should I change based on time ?


2010 100a s/o Mercury marquis
1986 Chevette S
Re: I am conflicted [Re: Markl50] #4528971
09/29/17 12:12 AM
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Keep going. Change it in spring.

Last edited by Colt45ws; 09/29/17 12:13 AM.

-Colton
2002 Ford Crown Vic PI 207k, Ex-Kootenai County, ID Unit #42
Down for engine swap
2003 Ford Crown Vic PI 75k
Castrol EDGE HM 5W30, Fram XG2
Re: I am conflicted [Re: Markl50] #4528973
09/29/17 12:13 AM
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South OZ
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Mobil1 0W40?

Either way, I'd go way more miles. 3000 is so little regardless of time.


95 MX-3 2.5L|Shell Helix Ultra 5W40|Wix 51356
04 Focus 1.8L|Wesfil Cooper WZ63|Valvoline MST 5W30
05 Kluger 3.3L|Wesfil Cooper WZ418|Magnatec 10W30 Semi Syn
Re: I am conflicted [Re: Markl50] #4529001
09/29/17 03:09 AM
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Just took the wife's Suzuki in for it's two year, 25,000 mile service primarily to maintain the final year of warranty (it's only done 6,000 miles in total and just 1800 miles in the last 12 months). 230 ($US 300). Ouch!!

This will be it's last dealer service and the plan going forward is to only get the the oil changed every two years (or 12,500 miles). I might even stretch this to a three year OCI if the wife continues to use it so little.

Whilst I know this will be anathema to some, there's really nothing in modern synthetic oil (the car currently uses Petronas Synthium 0W20) that will self-destruct after so long with so little mileage. This is especially true if you don't speed, don't pull a trailer and live in a temperate climate that's neither too hot or too cold. Also, logically speaking, what's the point in buying a cheap, economical car (it happily does 70+ mpg) if all you're going to do is blow loads of cash on expensive and unnecessary servicing?

Last edited by SonofJoe; 09/29/17 03:10 AM.
Re: I am conflicted [Re: Markl50] #4529007
09/29/17 03:32 AM
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My rule is minimum 5000kms...and that is literally nothing. Id take yours to at least that, if not more.


2007 Corolla Red Pearl 155k miles
PP 0w20 & ST 4967

Re: I am conflicted [Re: SonofJoe] #4529009
09/29/17 03:36 AM
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Quote:
and the plan going forward is to only get the the oil changed every two years


But ... But ... But ....Mobil 1 has only just brought out Annual Protection (AP) and they have yet to bring out Biennial Protection (BEP) for daredevils like yourself.

Joe, as a Chemical Engineer, you know the oil chemistry is unstable until the correct marketing appears on the front label.

Last edited by SR5; 09/29/17 03:41 AM. Reason: Joke - sort of

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Castrol GTX Ultraclean 15W40 A3/B3 + Wesfil-Cooper Z154
Re: I am conflicted [Re: SR5] #4529037
09/29/17 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted By: SR5
Quote:
and the plan going forward is to only get the the oil changed every two years


But ... But ... But ....Mobil 1 has only just brought out Annual Protection (AP) and they have yet to bring out Biennial Protection (BEP) for daredevils like yourself.

Joe, as a Chemical Engineer, you know the oil chemistry is unstable until the correct marketing appears on the front label.



Lol!!!

What can I say? On the one hand, both of my pensions depend on people driving big, inefficient cars and changing their oil as often as possible, so by rights, I should keep my reactionary views to myself. On the other hand, there's a reality that needs to be communicated.

I too am conflicted!

Re: I am conflicted [Re: Markl50] #4529077
09/29/17 06:01 AM
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That oil is just getting started, running it over the winter should be A-OK unless you decide to drive down to Peru a few times.

I don't think that black oil is necessarily bad oil (mine turns black fast even when I don't add MoS2), but a detergent oil being golden can only be a good thing IMHO.


2014 Forester XT, 90000 miles
Last Change;
M1 5W30 d1G2
Tokyo Roki 15208AA170 filter
Re: I am conflicted [Re: Markl50] #4529169
09/29/17 07:44 AM
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OH
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That seems like a lot of hours of operation for such a low distance traveled.
Short tripped car or lots of idling?


18 Accord Hybrid FF
17 Forester 18K VME 0W-20
12 Accord LX 96K SSO 0W-20
09 Forester 95K M1HM 10W-30
01 Focus ZX3 118K PP 5W-20
96 Accord LX 104K T5 10W-30
95 318i
Re: I am conflicted [Re: fdcg27] #4529172
09/29/17 07:50 AM
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victoria bc canada
Markl50 Offline OP
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Yes, its not very many km. Victoria traffic is more stop than go. I really noticed the lower average speed after the bike lanes were installed everywhere, of course using car lanes to do it. You can figure what happened ! Yes, I will leave it alone for awhile.


2010 100a s/o Mercury marquis
1986 Chevette S
Re: I am conflicted [Re: Markl50] #4529189
09/29/17 08:04 AM
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Don't change it yet, change it after the winter.


1975 Ford Capri II Ghia 3000 V6, - Shell Helix HX3 20W-50 w/ 20% Rimula R4X 15W-40 HDEO.

1988 Ford Escort Mk4 Xr3i Cabrio, - Shell Rimula R4X 15W-40, w/ 30% Helix 3 20W-50.

Finnish expat in Spain.
Re: I am conflicted [Re: Markl50] #4529266
09/29/17 09:22 AM
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3,000 km is like 1,800 miles (off the top of my head) which is about 5,000 miles less than a good synthetic will go any day of the week. Go to annual oil changes if you are going to use top tier synthetic oils ...

The GM EOS will not do you much good on a roller cam engine ...


Formerly in marine engineering. In an earlier life I owned my own petroleum tank truck, and hauled for the majors and independent's.
Re: I am conflicted [Re: Markl50] #4529328
09/29/17 10:24 AM
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It's like asking what beer is best! I change my oil twice a year.Right before the change of seasons. OIl is cheap as far as I am concerned and takes little time to change. I figure with what little driving I do it averages about 3 or 4 thousand miles between changes.But most of my driving is city driving. I always picture the van being happy somehow with fresh oil in it.(i didn't say I am normal)


2003 Dodge Caravan 140.000 miles
1992 Ford f-250 217,000 miles
Re: I am conflicted [Re: Markl50] #4529333
09/29/17 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted By: Markl50
Up until now, Merc Marquis was under warranty and had to get oil changed every six months. Fine.
Warranty now up. Where I am at moment- 7 months in, 3000 km, 108 running hours, oil looks almost new on stick, ( ya I know about the colour thing.)
Have Mobil 1, fl820 and 6oz of gm eos in wings. Should I wait for more mileage, or should I change based on time ?
You say you had to get the oil changed every six months under warranty? What were the manufacturer manual recommendations, time and km?

Re: I am conflicted [Re: bigj_16] #4529438
09/29/17 12:58 PM
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victoria bc canada
Markl50 Offline OP
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Manual is much higher for mileage, but time is six months, they are assuming higher mileage for the six months as a maximum. Since I did not mileage out it came to six months or OLM, which ,conveniently, kicks out to 5% at 5 months and three weeks, no matter what it said before it set itself off.( Change oil soon.) Hope this helps.


2010 100a s/o Mercury marquis
1986 Chevette S

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