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#4496116 - 08/23/17 01:18 PM Hospital Guest Pass
AirgunSavant Offline


Registered: 07/22/15
Posts: 3772
Loc: MD
I pulled another all-nighter in the ER last night
My mother has been sick for almost a year and this happens often. Nothing nice but nothing new.
I'm a one man show as far as help.

That aside, the hospital now requires any guests to sign in for a pass to leave the ER doors. That requires
a drivers license and in that process they scan it and from the look I had seen that took about 3 minutes and I suspect
they run you for priors or to see if you are on a watch list. Luckily I have zero to hide but does anybody know exactly what they see when they scan your ID? Honestly I'm transporting my Mother to the ER and I have to pony up my license before I can follow her out of the waiting room. I was not so thrilled to give my ID.

Right outside of the ER are the druggies looking for pain killers and selling drugs right out on the street. Of course that walk to the ER from the parking lot has zero security or police... nice...... And this is in small town USA

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#4496126 - 08/23/17 01:25 PM Re: Hospital Guest Pass [Re: AirgunSavant]
dparm Offline


Registered: 04/19/10
Posts: 13466
Loc: Chicago, IL
Originally Posted By: AirgunSavant
Luckily I have zero to hide but does anybody know exactly what they see when they scan your ID?


Why not just ask them? I'm sure there's paperwork or a policy somewhere explaining why they do it, what they need it for, etc. Just remember that hospitals can be a privately-run entity so it's not like you can just submit a FOIA request to see what they're doing.

Many states use a 2D barcode on IDs which contain a small amount of data. The specific data varies from state to state.

You could be right that they are looking for certain offenses such as narcotics theft.
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#4496127 - 08/23/17 01:27 PM Re: Hospital Guest Pass [Re: AirgunSavant]
Mr Nice Offline


Registered: 09/12/04
Posts: 21209
Loc: Orlando, FL
Hospitals know people are less likely to cause trouble when they have a photo ID of you and all your information. Sometimes a visitor / family member can get very upset with staff, nurses, doctors and get out of control. Same goes for patients coming to ER demanding pain meds..... or they will sue the doctors and hospital, cops get called to escort person out of ER.

Some hospitals now have metal detectors to get into the hospital as a guest. HCA is now installing metal detectors in ALL their hospitals.

Hospital bill collectors want your ID if you are a patient to know who to go after when they scan your drivers license.

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#4496128 - 08/23/17 01:28 PM Re: Hospital Guest Pass [Re: AirgunSavant]
EricG Offline


Registered: 03/03/09
Posts: 148
Loc: SW Louisiana
[color:#FFFF00]Right outside of the ER are the druggies looking for pain killers and selling drugs right out on the street. Of course that walk to the ER from the parking lot has zero security or police... nice...... And this is in small town USA
[/color]

These days, I do not leave home un-armed. The "shady people" are out in droves around here. We have a huge influx of out of state workers in this area, due to several major plant construction jobs going on, and the traffic is terrible and crime is on the rise!


Edited by EricG (08/23/17 01:28 PM)
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#4496137 - 08/23/17 01:39 PM Re: Hospital Guest Pass [Re: AirgunSavant]
Alfred_B Offline


Registered: 05/12/15
Posts: 1968
Loc: America
Originally Posted By: AirgunSavant
I pulled another all-nighter in the ER last night
My mother has been sick for almost a year and this happens often. Nothing nice but nothing new.
I'm a one man show as far as help.

That aside, the hospital now requires any guests to sign in for a pass to leave the ER doors. That requires
a drivers license and in that process they scan it and from the look I had seen that took about 3 minutes and I suspect
they run you for priors or to see if you are on a watch list. Luckily I have zero to hide but does anybody know exactly what they see when they scan your ID? Honestly I'm transporting my Mother to the ER and I have to pony up my license before I can follow her out of the waiting room. I was not so thrilled to give my ID.

Right outside of the ER are the druggies looking for pain killers and selling drugs right out on the street. Of course that walk to the ER from the parking lot has zero security or police... nice...... And this is in small town USA


If you are signing the paperwork as a guarantor, you might be assuming responsibility for your mom's bills and they need your information.

You can ask the admitting clerk the next time you are there why they are doing it.

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#4496141 - 08/23/17 01:46 PM Re: Hospital Guest Pass [Re: AirgunSavant]
E150GT Offline


Registered: 03/11/12
Posts: 1110
Loc: San Antonio, TX
Interesting. A few weeks back I spent the weekend with my wife at the hospital downtown while she was laid out from a pulmonary embolism. I was never asked anything. And this was a downtown hospital.
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#4496145 - 08/23/17 01:48 PM Re: Hospital Guest Pass [Re: EricG]
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Registered: 03/11/12
Posts: 1110
Loc: San Antonio, TX
Originally Posted By: EricG
[color:#FFFF00]Right outside of the ER are the druggies looking for pain killers and selling drugs right out on the street. Of course that walk to the ER from the parking lot has zero security or police... nice...... And this is in small town USA
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These days, I do not leave home un-armed. The "shady people" are out in droves around here. We have a huge influx of out of state workers in this area, due to several major plant construction jobs going on, and the traffic is terrible and crime is on the rise!

Most hospitals here are correctly posted against firearms
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#4496146 - 08/23/17 01:50 PM Re: Hospital Guest Pass [Re: Alfred_B]
CKN Offline


Registered: 10/14/14
Posts: 3709
Loc: Utah
Originally Posted By: Alfred_B
Originally Posted By: AirgunSavant
I pulled another all-nighter in the ER last night
My mother has been sick for almost a year and this happens often. Nothing nice but nothing new.
I'm a one man show as far as help.

That aside, the hospital now requires any guests to sign in for a pass to leave the ER doors. That requires
a drivers license and in that process they scan it and from the look I had seen that took about 3 minutes and I suspect
they run you for priors or to see if you are on a watch list. Luckily I have zero to hide but does anybody know exactly what they see when they scan your ID? Honestly I'm transporting my Mother to the ER and I have to pony up my license before I can follow her out of the waiting room. I was not so thrilled to give my ID.

Right outside of the ER are the druggies looking for pain killers and selling drugs right out on the street. Of course that walk to the ER from the parking lot has zero security or police... nice...... And this is in small town USA


If you are signing the paperwork as a guarantor, you might be assuming responsibility for your mom's bills and they need your information.

You can ask the admitting clerk the next time you are there why they are doing it.


I did not read that anywhere in the OP's post-it's a pass he is signing. It looks like the hospital wants to know who is running around the hospital late at night-to the best they can-that's why they are doing it.

It's painfully obvious what crowd the hospital is trying to keep out.

It's his MOM-she has medicare (or other insurance) and whatever other plans she has purchased. BTW-I'm sure she has long since signed any financial responsibility forms.


Edited by CKN (08/23/17 01:55 PM)

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#4496171 - 08/23/17 02:28 PM Re: Hospital Guest Pass [Re: AirgunSavant]
ArcticDriver Offline


Registered: 01/27/17
Posts: 1139
Loc: USA
The hospital can not run "priors" in the same manner as Law Enforcement. They do not have access to that database.

They can not even run a credit check on you without your consent.

All they could do is an internet background check of public records and check if you are on a sexual predator list. It is also possible the hospital maintains their own list of "blackballed" visitors with prior history but this would only be local to events at that hospital or its affiliates.

Making a copy of a Hospital Visitor's ID would be more like a visitor log that can be reviewed in the event that an incident is discovered in the future.

As for the OP not being thrilled, would he feel more comfortable knowing that anybody off the street has unregulated access to the halls and rooms of the hospital?
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#4496174 - 08/23/17 02:39 PM Re: Hospital Guest Pass [Re: ArcticDriver]
AirgunSavant Offline


Registered: 07/22/15
Posts: 3772
Loc: MD
Originally Posted By: ArcticDriver
The hospital can not run "priors" in the same manner as Law Enforcement. They do not have access to that database.

They can not even run a credit check on you without your consent.

All they could do is an internet background check of public records and check if you are on a sexual predator list. It is also possible the hospital maintains their own list of "blackballed" visitors with prior history but this would only be local to events at that hospital or its affiliates.

Making a copy of a Hospital Visitor's ID would be more like a visitor log that can be reviewed in the event that an incident is discovered in the future.

As for the OP not being thrilled, would he feel more comfortable knowing that anybody off the street has unregulated access to the halls and rooms of the hospital?


You mean to tell me a mob of scum just 20 feet from the ER entrance is doing justice for the regulated access personnel since that is hospital property. Why is a police officer the one running the license's? It isn't the staff doing it.
I'm for everyone's safety but if I have to get into a fight to make it to the door I figure I can handle what's inside the building.

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#4496185 - 08/23/17 03:00 PM Re: Hospital Guest Pass [Re: AirgunSavant]
ArcticDriver Offline


Registered: 01/27/17
Posts: 1139
Loc: USA
Originally Posted By: AirgunSavant
Originally Posted By: ArcticDriver
The hospital can not run "priors" in the same manner as Law Enforcement. They do not have access to that database.

They can not even run a credit check on you without your consent.

All they could do is an internet background check of public records and check if you are on a sexual predator list. It is also possible the hospital maintains their own list of "blackballed" visitors with prior history but this would only be local to events at that hospital or its affiliates.

Making a copy of a Hospital Visitor's ID would be more like a visitor log that can be reviewed in the event that an incident is discovered in the future.

As for the OP not being thrilled, would he feel more comfortable knowing that anybody off the street has unregulated access to the halls and rooms of the hospital?


You mean to tell me a mob of scum just 20 feet from the ER entrance is doing justice for the regulated access personnel since that is hospital property. Why is a police officer the one running the license's? It isn't the staff doing it.
I'm for everyone's safety but if I have to get into a fight to make it to the door I figure I can handle what's inside the building.


This is the first time you have mentioned that an actual Police Officer was the person who requested your DL. That would have been useful to include in your OP.
In this case, forget what I said in my post.

I don't really understand the rest of your post. Is it a County Hospital? As far as "handling" anything, I can only speak for myself when I say I would feel more comfortable that not just anyone is allowed to walk in off the street and sneak along the hallways and patient rooms during those times I was not there in the room with my Loved One.

It sounds like you are very tired. I hope you get some sleep and wake up in a more agreeable mood.
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#4496190 - 08/23/17 03:04 PM Re: Hospital Guest Pass [Re: AirgunSavant]
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Registered: 12/08/06
Posts: 8275
Loc: Illinois
The hospital that our family has used for years is in a neighborhood that is quickly going to pieces. The daytime hours are fine, but they'll have issues once the sun goes down.

Dad was in not too long ago, and we (Mom, Sis, and I) overstayed the visiting hours. We were watching a baseball game in his private room. We hadn't realized that it was as late as it was.

A security guard comes in a politely introduces himself. He asks a few questions along with some small talk, and realizes that we're all immediate family of the patient. He then handed all of us stickers that allowed us unlimited access to the facility at the ER door, all night long. The hospital security office is conveniently located next to the ER door. Of course.

Apparently, he didn't see any of us as being a threat to hospital security.

We weren't asked for any official ID... but we did get questioned.
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#4496192 - 08/23/17 03:06 PM Re: Hospital Guest Pass [Re: mrsilv04]
pbm Offline


Registered: 04/19/04
Posts: 7609
Loc: New York
[quote=mrsilv04]The hospital that our family has used for years is in a neighborhood that is quickly going to pieces. The daytime hours are fine, but they'll have issues once the sun goes down.

It must be those darn vampires.....
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#4496213 - 08/23/17 03:44 PM Re: Hospital Guest Pass [Re: AirgunSavant]
bugeye Offline


Registered: 04/10/15
Posts: 78
Loc: Pennsylvania
Access to the local 500+ bed hospital ER requires emptying pockets and going thru a metal detector similar to the airport security. Three armed uniformed police control the entrance. To leave the waiting room to visit my father in an ER area room required a scan of our drivers license. We were then given a sticker badge good for that day only. All this security is a "good" area of town.

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#4496270 - 08/23/17 04:57 PM Re: Hospital Guest Pass [Re: AirgunSavant]
madRiver Offline


Registered: 07/11/15
Posts: 3548
Loc: New England
This has not hit my wife's hospital yet near a so so city in MA.

They do have a decent police presence beyond good security.

Hope your mum feels better.

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