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US Navy Destroying Destroyers #4494181
08/21/17 05:36 AM
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madRiver Offline OP
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Really sad to hear another collision and sailors killed. As a US tax payer this abhorrent.

Re: US Navy Destroying Destroyers [Re: madRiver] #4494183
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Accidents happen at sea in congested shipping channels. I'm sure mistakes were made.

I'm more upset about the loss of fellow sailors than the damage to the ship or the money to fix it.


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Re: US Navy Destroying Destroyers [Re: madRiver] #4494184
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There are times when cargo ships and oil tankers get a little too close. The USN usually follows the rules of the sea, and if a cargo ship or tanker doesn't, accidents can happen. That could very well be the case here. More info is needed before I jump to any conclusions. Prayers sent to those lost or injured in this accident.


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Re: US Navy Destroying Destroyers [Re: madRiver] #4494185
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We wrecked again?



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Re: US Navy Destroying Destroyers [Re: madRiver] #4494186
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Originally Posted By: madRiver
Really sad to hear another collision and sailors killed. As a US tax payer this abhorrent.


As an American, you should be more concerned about dead sailors....

Re: US Navy Destroying Destroyers [Re: Mr Nice] #4494190
08/21/17 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Originally Posted By: madRiver
Really sad to hear another collision and sailors killed. As a US tax payer this abhorrent.


As an American, you should be more concerned about dead sailors....



Amen! thumbsup


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Re: US Navy Destroying Destroyers [Re: madRiver] #4494199
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Happened in the Straits of Malacca, perhaps the busiest transit on the planet. No news yet on how it happened but the damage to the destroyer is port side aft. Ten sailors missing. Five sailors missing and medevaced to Singapore by helo.

Whenever we transited busy areas or harbors, they set the Special Sea Detail withNav Stations. This doubled the lookouts, put two officers on the bridge and perhaps the Captain, experienced helmsman and top notch quartermaster at the plot as well as full staff in Combat. I haven't heard whether this was done or not but this area is where most of the shipping in and out of Singapore transits. Literally, hundreds of ships daily. The investigation will uncover what went wrong. To have two accidents like this in recent times may prompt the Navy to review procedures and even stand down. There have been 4 incidents this year, another was a collision with a fishing boat and another navy ship ran aground.

I wonder if turnover has cost the Navy and the rest if the military valuable experienced personnel? That would force newer untrained people into positions before they are ready.


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Re: US Navy Destroying Destroyers [Re: madRiver] #4494200
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The loss of life in these non-combat situations is just terrible...I mean, people getting killed at any point is bad, of course, but we know it's a risk during military operations. To lose sailors when they're just steaming around...

Is the ANY hint that people on the merchant ships who are hostile to the US are contributing to these events? Makes me think of all the terrorism using passenger cars and trucks lately...I'm sure somebody who wants to harm US interests could change course ever so slightly to make a collision a lot more likely.


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Re: US Navy Destroying Destroyers [Re: PimTac] #4494226
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Quote by PimTac:
"I wonder if turnover has cost the Navy and the rest if the military valuable experienced personnel? That would force newer untrained people into positions before they are ready." [/quote]

That would be my guess...I agree regarding the sailors....we can fix damaged ships but we can't replace lost lives...


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Re: US Navy Destroying Destroyers [Re: madRiver] #4494248
08/21/17 07:18 AM
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Typical day were this took place. Initial reports are the Destroyer had the right of way and was hit by a tanker

I hate to see my sailors lost. Breaks my heart.


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Re: US Navy Destroying Destroyers [Re: FlyNavyP3] #4494251
08/21/17 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted By: FlyNavyP3
Accidents happen at sea in congested shipping channels. I'm sure mistakes were made.

I'm more upset about the loss of fellow sailors than the damage to the ship or the money to fix it.


I agree that the loss of life the greatest concern; however, I would argue collisions at sea are avoidable and the USN ships are smaller, more manueverable and have the very latest and most expensive navigation equipment to avoid collision.

Its time for Vice Admiral Aucoin to be retired...as a starting point.


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Re: US Navy Destroying Destroyers [Re: madRiver] #4494269
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These collisions may not be completely accidental. Just sayin'. No evidence.


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Re: US Navy Destroying Destroyers [Re: Kuato] #4494278
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Originally Posted By: Kuato
These collisions may not be completely accidental. Just sayin'. No evidence.

I think its more likely that big ego's and poor choices are involved ... My parents have been on a cruise where two ships were leaving port at the same time, and there was nearly a stupid collision as the ships honked and flashed lights at each other for a while instead of one of them reducing speed a bit, or waiting 2 minutes...


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Re: US Navy Destroying Destroyers [Re: ls1mike] #4494288
08/21/17 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted By: ls1mike

Typical day were this took place. Initial reports are the Destroyer had the right of way and was hit by a tanker

I hate to see my sailors lost. Breaks my heart.


No ships under way. Obviously an anchorage and not a high traffic area.


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Re: US Navy Destroying Destroyers [Re: madRiver] #4494289
08/21/17 08:17 AM
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Quote "The collision marks the fourth time this year a Navy vessel with the 7th Fleet has been involved in a major mishap, an embarrassing string that has prompted the service to remove several senior officers from command."

That is pretty unacceptable.


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