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#4473263 - 07/28/17 06:21 PM M1 High Iron. What is wearing?
SilverFusion2010 Offline


Registered: 06/29/11
Posts: 1665
Loc: Crawfordville FL
I've seen some serious snark directed at M1 because it shows higher iron in UOA.

Could it be an additive of some sort?

What wears that releases iron?

Is high iron really a problem? Why or why not?

Let's discuss
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#4473286 - 07/28/17 07:00 PM Re: M1 High Iron. What is wearing? [Re: SilverFusion2010]
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Ancient history from my point of view. I ran AFE out to 17K miles with no excessive Fe in the UOAs.
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#4473309 - 07/28/17 07:29 PM Re: M1 High Iron. What is wearing? [Re: SilverFusion2010]
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Registered: 12/12/02
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Yes, it was a few generations ago...

but with any elemental analysis, you have to ask that question...is it wear, or is it material being liberated from the couple of square feet of oil wetted surfaces that have nothing to do with wear.

The latter (appeared to be ) the consensus back in the M1 high Fe days.

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#4473316 - 07/28/17 07:40 PM Re: M1 High Iron. What is wearing? [Re: SilverFusion2010]
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If you use M1, everything is wearing at an accelerated rate. ba-dum-tsshhhh
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#4473317 - 07/28/17 07:42 PM Re: M1 High Iron. What is wearing? [Re: SilverFusion2010]
SilverFusion2010 Offline


Registered: 06/29/11
Posts: 1665
Loc: Crawfordville FL
I'll have a UOA in another month or two of M1 HM 10w-30. I've got 30% left on my OLM which is about 2k miles left in oci. Total miles to 0% is 7500

I'm mulling over if I want to try the M1 AP 5w-30 and take it to 20k. Important to know what's going on


Edited by SilverFusion2010 (07/28/17 07:46 PM)
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#4473339 - 07/28/17 08:09 PM Re: M1 High Iron. What is wearing? [Re: SilverFusion2010]
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Why not just run the AP, take a sample for UOA at 15k, and decide from there?
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#4473342 - 07/28/17 08:10 PM Re: M1 High Iron. What is wearing? [Re: SilverFusion2010]
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Registered: 03/06/16
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Hey guys, lets talk about Mobil 1!

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#4473369 - 07/28/17 08:37 PM Re: M1 High Iron. What is wearing? [Re: Shannow]
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Registered: 06/09/03
Posts: 1928
Loc: Sequim, WA
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Yes, it was a few generations ago...

but with any elemental analysis, you have to ask that question...is it wear, or is it material being liberated from the couple of square feet of oil wetted surfaces that have nothing to do with wear.

The latter (appeared to be ) the consensus back in the M1 high Fe days.


I don't find it a coincidence that during the time we saw high iron numbers on UOA here with respect to M1 5W-30 was during the time that it was found that the M1 5W-30 SM was failing the Sequence IVA cam wear tests(direct measurement of cam wear, not UOA "wear" metals).

Yes, SM formulation, one viscosity only, so it's ancient history, and we do have the limitations of UOA to factor into our observations here.

I'm not a consensus seeker. Fifty-one percent of the people picking the wrong answer is a consensus. Fifty-one percent of the people picking the wrong answer does not make it the right answer.

Ed
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#4473394 - 07/28/17 08:59 PM Re: M1 High Iron. What is wearing? [Re: edhackett]
PeterPolyol Offline


Registered: 03/06/16
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Originally Posted By: edhackett

I'm not a consensus seeker. Fifty-one percent of the people picking the wrong answer is a consensus. Fifty-one percent of the people picking the wrong answer does not make it the right answer.

Ed


Just generally, this is a solid statement. approved
Human civilization would be so much further along if more believed this.

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#4473456 - 07/28/17 09:58 PM Re: M1 High Iron. What is wearing? [Re: SilverFusion2010]
Shannow Online   content


Registered: 12/12/02
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ed, you are right...that evidence came along...I forgot that piece of the puzzle too.

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#4473506 - 07/28/17 11:03 PM Re: M1 High Iron. What is wearing? [Re: SilverFusion2010]
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Registered: 06/03/03
Posts: 2630
Loc: LaFinDuMonde
The doctor told me to stop cooking in aluminum pots 'n pans.


Edited by userfriendly (07/28/17 11:03 PM)

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#4473516 - 07/28/17 11:17 PM Re: M1 High Iron. What is wearing? [Re: userfriendly]
4WD Online   confused


Registered: 09/21/10
Posts: 6428
Loc: Texas
Yep 😙 Cast iron skillets used to be a source of dietary iron

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#4473568 - 07/29/17 12:41 AM Re: M1 High Iron. What is wearing? [Re: SilverFusion2010]
userfriendly Offline


Registered: 06/03/03
Posts: 2630
Loc: LaFinDuMonde
& lead water pipes caused the fall of the Roman umpire La Donna e Mobile.


Edited by userfriendly (07/29/17 12:43 AM)

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#4473821 - 07/29/17 11:02 AM Re: M1 High Iron. What is wearing? [Re: SilverFusion2010]
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Registered: 09/06/15
Posts: 5528
Loc: Kalifornia Kollective
Yeah, I never liked those Roman Umpire's, good they fell out of favor laugh
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#4474096 - 07/29/17 07:18 PM Re: M1 High Iron. What is wearing? [Re: SilverFusion2010]
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Registered: 05/13/17
Posts: 131
Loc: New York Queens
Lol M1 is good oil
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