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M1 High Iron. What is wearing? #4473263
07/28/17 05:21 PM
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I've seen some serious snark directed at M1 because it shows higher iron in UOA.

Could it be an additive of some sort?

What wears that releases iron?

Is high iron really a problem? Why or why not?

Let's discuss


2010 Ford Fusion SE 3.0L V6, 181 miles M1 HM 10w-30
Re: M1 High Iron. What is wearing? [Re: SilverFusion2010] #4473286
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Ancient history from my point of view. I ran AFE out to 17K miles with no excessive Fe in the UOAs.

Re: M1 High Iron. What is wearing? [Re: SilverFusion2010] #4473309
07/28/17 06:29 PM
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Yes, it was a few generations ago...

but with any elemental analysis, you have to ask that question...is it wear, or is it material being liberated from the couple of square feet of oil wetted surfaces that have nothing to do with wear.

The latter (appeared to be ) the consensus back in the M1 high Fe days.

Re: M1 High Iron. What is wearing? [Re: SilverFusion2010] #4473316
07/28/17 06:40 PM
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If you use M1, everything is wearing at an accelerated rate. ba-dum-tsshhhh


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Re: M1 High Iron. What is wearing? [Re: SilverFusion2010] #4473317
07/28/17 06:42 PM
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SilverFusion2010 Offline OP
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I'll have a UOA in another month or two of M1 HM 10w-30. I've got 30% left on my OLM which is about 2k miles left in oci. Total miles to 0% is 7500

I'm mulling over if I want to try the M1 AP 5w-30 and take it to 20k. Important to know what's going on

Last edited by SilverFusion2010; 07/28/17 06:46 PM.

2010 Ford Fusion SE 3.0L V6, 181 miles M1 HM 10w-30
Re: M1 High Iron. What is wearing? [Re: SilverFusion2010] #4473339
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Why not just run the AP, take a sample for UOA at 15k, and decide from there?


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Re: M1 High Iron. What is wearing? [Re: SilverFusion2010] #4473342
07/28/17 07:10 PM
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Hey guys, lets talk about Mobil 1!


Scambling for solutions is a hopelessly futile endeavour and potentially dangerous, without first coming to a solid, personal understanding of the problem. Beware riding the ideological hobby horse.
Re: M1 High Iron. What is wearing? [Re: Shannow] #4473369
07/28/17 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted By: Shannow
Yes, it was a few generations ago...

but with any elemental analysis, you have to ask that question...is it wear, or is it material being liberated from the couple of square feet of oil wetted surfaces that have nothing to do with wear.

The latter (appeared to be ) the consensus back in the M1 high Fe days.


I don't find it a coincidence that during the time we saw high iron numbers on UOA here with respect to M1 5W-30 was during the time that it was found that the M1 5W-30 SM was failing the Sequence IVA cam wear tests(direct measurement of cam wear, not UOA "wear" metals).

Yes, SM formulation, one viscosity only, so it's ancient history, and we do have the limitations of UOA to factor into our observations here.

I'm not a consensus seeker. Fifty-one percent of the people picking the wrong answer is a consensus. Fifty-one percent of the people picking the wrong answer does not make it the right answer.

Ed


Never attribute to engineers that into which politicians, lawyers, accountants, and marketeers have poked their fingers.
Re: M1 High Iron. What is wearing? [Re: edhackett] #4473394
07/28/17 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted By: edhackett

I'm not a consensus seeker. Fifty-one percent of the people picking the wrong answer is a consensus. Fifty-one percent of the people picking the wrong answer does not make it the right answer.

Ed


Just generally, this is a solid statement. approved
Human civilization would be so much further along if more believed this.


Scambling for solutions is a hopelessly futile endeavour and potentially dangerous, without first coming to a solid, personal understanding of the problem. Beware riding the ideological hobby horse.
Re: M1 High Iron. What is wearing? [Re: SilverFusion2010] #4473456
07/28/17 08:58 PM
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ed, you are right...that evidence came along...I forgot that piece of the puzzle too.

Re: M1 High Iron. What is wearing? [Re: SilverFusion2010] #4473506
07/28/17 10:03 PM
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The doctor told me to stop cooking in aluminum pots 'n pans.

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Re: M1 High Iron. What is wearing? [Re: userfriendly] #4473516
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Texas & Global
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Yep 😙 Cast iron skillets used to be a source of dietary iron


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Re: M1 High Iron. What is wearing? [Re: SilverFusion2010] #4473568
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& lead water pipes caused the fall of the Roman umpire La Donna e Mobile.

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Re: M1 High Iron. What is wearing? [Re: SilverFusion2010] #4473821
07/29/17 10:02 AM
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Yeah, I never liked those Roman Umpire's, good they fell out of favor laugh


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Re: M1 High Iron. What is wearing? [Re: SilverFusion2010] #4474096
07/29/17 06:18 PM
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Lol M1 is good oil


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