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Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid [Re: Pablo] #3360634
05/03/14 12:11 PM
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I didn't know we are talking 2014. Thanks.


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Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid [Re: Pablo] #3360642
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Originally Posted by Pablo
I didn't know we are talking 2014. Thanks.

2013 pathfinder and jx35 uses the same cvt as the 2014 pathfinder and QX60 (QX60 is the new name for the JX35). So maybe amsoil just hasn't tested and verified that the new fluid will work correctly with these new cvt's? I would love to hear that the new amsoil cvt fluid meets or exceeds specs and wont void the warranty because I would switch it right away while it is still new.

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid [Re: Pablo] #3360651
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I have asked Amsoil Tech.

Is Nissan officially saying NS-3 can be used in place of NS-2 in earlier NS-2 applications? Google provided no authoritative answer.


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Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid [Re: Pablo] #3360671
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Originally Posted by Pablo
I have asked Amsoil Tech.
Is Nissan officially saying NS-3 can be used in place of NS-2 in earlier NS-2 applications? Google provided no authoritative answer.

That is a good question. I know her new car specs NS-3 but doesnt say anything about the previous NS-2

The manual says

" Use only Genuine NISSAN CVT Fluid NS-3. Using transmission fluid other than Genuine NISSAN CVT Fluid NS-3 will damage the CVT, which is not covered by the NISSAN new vehicle limited warranty."

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid [Re: Pablo] #3361068
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Originally Posted by Pablo
If they deny warranty for using a correct aftermarket fluid, they will be in violation of USA law. Amsoil CVT will not in any way violate your warranty. Color does not matter.

I understand your automobile is a huge investment. I think this is why I would want something better than the Nissan NS-2.

Typical Amsoil salesman speak.

Sure, the mfg may technically be in "violation" of the act, but good luck with escalating the matter with Nissan.
While you are busy fighting them on the issue, your vehicle is out of service and you are majorly inconvenienced.
The sad part is that if the person had simply left the ORIGINAL fluid in the transmission, there would've been no issue at all.
As usual, avoidance is generally the better strategy. And besides, there's nothing to suggest that better anti-shudder protection of the fluid will fix the issue...that is pure speculation on your part.


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Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid [Re: Miller88] #3361073
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Originally Posted By: Miller88

Dealer markup maybe? I have heard of $400 CVT fluid changes at the dealer.

$400 for a fluid change, and they still won't go 100K miles without failing.


Says who?

My dealer charges $189 for a drain and refill. $400 is probably about right for a full flush, since the fluid costs $15-$20/qt and you need 15 quarts. The service is generally unnecessary though, since you need to check the CVT fluid deterioration value using the factory scan tool in order to determine the need for a fluid change...it is not uncommon for the fluid to be good for well over 100k.

The failure stories are way overblown. Sure, they may have been some issues with the early Murano trannys, but some of those CVT failures were attributed to leaking CVT fluid due to a bad seal between the tranny and the transfer case, causing fluid loss.

Nissan has stood behind the transmissions very well with the 10/120k warranty, and based on the sales and overall experiences reported with the mass-produced 07-12 Altima, the CVT has been very successful.

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Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid [Re: The Critic] #3361247
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Originally Posted By: The Critic
Originally Posted By: Miller88

Dealer markup maybe? I have heard of $400 CVT fluid changes at the dealer.

$400 for a fluid change, and they still won't go 100K miles without failing.


Says who?

My dealer charges $189 for a drain and refill. $400 is probably about right for a full flush, since the fluid costs $15-$20/qt and you need 15 quarts. The service is generally unnecessary though, since you need to check the CVT fluid deterioration value using the factory scan tool in order to determine the need for a fluid change...it is not uncommon for the fluid to be good for well over 100k.

The failure stories are way overblown. Sure, they may have been some issues with the early Murano trannys, but some of those CVT failures were attributed to leaking CVT fluid due to a bad seal between the tranny and the transfer case, causing fluid loss.

Nissan has stood behind the transmissions very well with the 10/120k warranty, and based on the sales and overall experiences reported with the mass-produced 07-12 Altima, the CVT has been very successful.



The problem is the NEW CVT that came out in 2013 is having a ton of shudder problems.

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid [Re: ProStreetCamaro] #3361293
05/04/14 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted By: ProStreetCamaro

The problem is the NEW CVT that came out in 2013 is having a ton of shudder problems.


And frankly there were problems before that - that you and I know were mostly caused by the fluid itself.

Originally Posted By: The Critic


Typical Amsoil salesman speak.

Sure, the mfg may technically be in "violation" of the act, but good luck with escalating the matter with Nissan.

While you are busy fighting them on the issue, your vehicle is out of service and you are majorly inconvenienced.

The sad part is that if the person had simply left the ORIGINAL fluid in the transmission, there would've been no issue at all.

As usual, avoidance is generally the better strategy. And besides, there's nothing to suggest that better anti-shudder protection of the fluid will fix the issue...that is pure speculation on your part.


When in doubt throw the salesman thing out there. I'm not pretending to be a know it all on this situation. But I do know one thing, for every one rare warranty delay situation, there are thousands of cases when the dealers immediately back down.

I'm not sure why you are so against seeking a better solution. I mean when you turn into Mr. Detail, I'm pretty sure you are not just following what the factory says. You've done nothing but disparage Amsoil, and the new CVT fluid when in reality you know nothing about it. Amsoil seeks a BETTER than solution. In both Engineering and real life avoidance is NOT always a better solution. In fact AVOIDANCE is sometimes the worst decision ever.

I would say much of the shudder is indeed caused by a low bidder inferior factory fluid. Why anyone would be satisfied with that as a internet armchair proposed solution seems seriously weak at best.


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Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid [Re: Pablo] #3361716
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Quote:
Despite the wear comparison on the page, I am still a bit skeptical of this fluid given the wide range of applications that it is suitable for.


I think that the additive suppliers have this wide range fluid applicability down to a science, well that is really what is, science.


Quote:
CVTs live-and-die by the correct fluid -- the belts are HIGHLY dependent upon very specific frictional properties in order to survive.


Belts are dependent upon the correct Traction coefficient.

Quote:
The coefficient of traction is defined as the usable force for traction divided by the weight on the running gear (wheels, tracks etc.)[5][6] i.e.:

Usable Traction = Coefficient of Traction x Normal Force

Factors affecting coefficient of traction[edit]
Traction between two surfaces depends on several factors:

Material composition of each surface.

Macroscopic and microscopic shape (texture; macrotexture and microtexture)

Normal force pressing contact surfaces together.
Contaminants at the material boundary including lubricants and adhesives.

Relative motion of tractive surfaces - a sliding object (one in kinetic friction) has less traction than a non-sliding object (one...)

Check WIKI.



I just wish Amsoil would introduce a low viscosity (6.1 [email protected], 38 [email protected]) MTF.

If they want to know how to do it or need a consultant, I know a guy who can help. grin2

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Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid [Re: Pablo] #3361743
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The NS-3 fluid makes me wonder how similar/compatible they are. Subaru in particular isn't having any CVT issues at all. I wonder how their fluid compares to Nissan's NS-2 and NS-3?

Amsoil goes for the niche market, which makes sense for them. This is one fluid though I would probably not want to use. However, it's good there is the option if need be.


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Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid [Re: buster] #3363611
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Originally Posted By: buster
The NS-3 fluid makes me wonder how similar/compatible they are. Subaru in particular isn't having any CVT issues at all. I wonder how their fluid compares to Nissan's NS-2 and NS-3?

Amsoil goes for the niche market, which makes sense for them. This is one fluid though I would probably not want to use. However, it's good there is the option if need be.



I believe that the Subaru is using a chain CVT and not a belt?


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Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid [Re: Pablo] #3363686
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^ correct.


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Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid [Re: Pablo] #3363780
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Amsoil CVT is NOT recommended for nor has it been tested in NS-3 applications.


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Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid [Re: Pablo] #3560354
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Hey guys,

Found the link here: http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/tr.../?code=CVTQT-EA

And i'll be using it in an NS-2 tranny in my nissan murano.

Any cheaper deals? Amazon and Ebay had nothing. Is there a wholesaler of choice that carries this stuff?

Does anyone in Canada carry this stuff? I've called a few local guys and they said no.


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Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid [Re: m4gician] #3560364
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Just become a preferred member under Pablo (ZO# 515729). It will cost you $10 for 6 months and then you can buy the CVT fluid at wholesale prices. Just go to amsoil.com and click on the "Buy Wholesale" button on the top. Then click the green "Click here to Become a preferred customer" button. Add the 6 month trial for $10 to your cart and you will immediatly be able to price the CVT fluid at the wholesale prices. Here are the Canada shipping rates. When you check out you will be asked who referred you and just put ZO# 51572.

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