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#3453443 - 08/12/14 12:23 PM Re: Backup cameras [Re: supton]
Miller88 Offline


Registered: 04/09/08
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People are just uninterested in being a good driver and never received proper training on handling an automobile. I still love watching people try to back out of parking spots. People just can NOT judge the size of their vehicle. And forget about using mirrors!

The reason we have backup cameras is because people are too self absorbed texting, sexting and taking selfies that they don't notice their 6 month old child they forgot to put in the car and back over their kid.
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#3453453 - 08/12/14 12:30 PM Re: Backup cameras [Re: Nate1979]
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Originally Posted By: Nate1979
Every time new technology comes along like this people complain and say you have to do it old school or else you are becoming over reliant on the technology blah blah blah.

Why is it that when something comes along that can be vastly superior to the old way of doing things the people who do it the old school way get on their high horse and make the new people feel inferior for accepting the new technology?

Sorry but the "old school" way of doing things has issues that people are trying to solve with technology. Go ahead and stick your head in the sand. People overestimate their abilities and often times these new technologies come along to fill the gaps where people do not want to admit they might not be as perfect as they say they are. It only takes one mistake, one second of distraction. I myself am glad for this new technology for the most part.


Cadillac introduced the electric starter in 1912, Old school Henry Ford put out a pamphlet claiming how easy it was to use a crank to start the engine. (we'll not get into his opposition to hydraulic brakes...), Ford didn't get electric starters until the 1920s. (Strange guy. Innovative in some ways, not so in others...)

I don't know about the old school types, But I don't want to use a hand crank to start the car. And I'll take a backup camera in a heart beat
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#3453458 - 08/12/14 12:32 PM Re: Backup cameras [Re: Miller88]
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Originally Posted By: Miller88


The reason we have backup cameras is because people are too self absorbed texting, sexting and taking selfies that they don't notice their 6 month old child they forgot to put in the car and back over their kid.


Really? Just how would a backup camera work if they're not paying attention in the first place using your scenario?
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#3453461 - 08/12/14 12:36 PM Re: Backup cameras [Re: supton]
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Registered: 09/14/10
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"That the automobile has practically reached the limit of its development is suggested by the fact that during the past year no improvements of a radical nature have been introduced."


-Scientific American, January 2, 1909.

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#3453474 - 08/12/14 12:45 PM Re: Backup cameras [Re: Trajan]
Miller88 Offline


Registered: 04/09/08
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Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: Miller88


The reason we have backup cameras is because people are too self absorbed texting, sexting and taking selfies that they don't notice their 6 month old child they forgot to put in the car and back over their kid.


Really? Just how would a backup camera work if they're not paying attention in the first place using your scenario?


Good question. Ask the goons at the federal level why it's now mandatory? Their reasoning? People were backing over their kids.
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#3453496 - 08/12/14 12:56 PM Re: Backup cameras [Re: supton]
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I like backup cameras, wish there was one on my grandpas '72 delta 98 4 door that I drove as a teenager. I would usually just find an open area (at least that I could pull thru) because that thing was looooong.


Edited by Barkleymut (08/12/14 12:59 PM)
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#3453513 - 08/12/14 01:07 PM Re: Backup cameras [Re: Barkleymut]
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Registered: 02/24/13
Posts: 2035
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: Barkleymut
I like backup cameras, wish there was one on my grandpas '72 delta 98 4 door that I drove as a teenager. I would usually just find an open area (at least that I could pull thru) because that thing was looooong.



Shucks, I wish there were still cars like the '72 Delta
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#3453529 - 08/12/14 01:17 PM Re: Backup cameras [Re: supton]
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Registered: 06/24/04
Posts: 14505
Loc: Top of Virginia
Timely story about an untimely and unfortunate death:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/12/newser-sunbathing-death/13944425/

A sunbather was backed-over by a pickup truck in her driveway. A series of fateful decisions lead up to that result. Would a backup camera have changed the outcome?

Both of our vehicles have backup cameras, and we use them extensively.

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#3453537 - 08/12/14 01:23 PM Re: Backup cameras [Re: supton]
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It sounds like (at least some of) those older cars were just as hard to park and back up as the newer cars. Thus we've simply managed for the last few decades and are only just starting to deal with the problem.
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#3453566 - 08/12/14 01:44 PM Re: Backup cameras [Re: supton]
Miller88 Offline


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Originally Posted By: supton
It sounds like (at least some of) those older cars were just as hard to park and back up as the newer cars. Thus we've simply managed for the last few decades and are only just starting to deal with the problem.


Newer cars are harder, IMO. My much larger 2001 Taurus was easy to park without the mirrors. Now that cars have higher belt lines (my focus is one), the back window is useless. The Chrysler 300 I have heard is super hard.
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#3453581 - 08/12/14 01:56 PM Re: Backup cameras [Re: Miller88]
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Registered: 06/24/04
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Loc: Top of Virginia
Originally Posted By: Miller88
The Chrysler 300 I have heard is super hard.


I have found it and the previous generation Ford Fusion to have massive blind spots. The current Fusion may be just as bad, I don't know...I just haven't driven one.

I don't like the current trend of high belt lines, and do my best to avoid cars like that. I don't like to feel "surrounded" by my vehicle. It gives me a feeling that it's driving me rather than me driving it.

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#3453586 - 08/12/14 02:05 PM Re: Backup cameras [Re: jeepman3071]
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Registered: 07/21/02
Posts: 3333
Loc: KY
Originally Posted By: jeepman3071
I think the difference is that today's generation relies on technology completely, instead of using it as an aid. I use a back-up camera in my dad's Grand Cherokee because it helps me hook-up the trailer quicker and line up the hitch better.

Many people rely ONLY on the camera though, and that is the problem. Its fine to use the camera for the areas you can't see, while also checking the areas with your eyes that you can see. Some of my friends have almost backed out into cars in parking lots because they just looked at the screen, they didn't look out the back window to see if a car was approaching from the side. That is the difference. Technology is a wonderful tool when used correctly, but it does not take the place of being aware of your surroundings.


Exactly; to quote the great Douglas Adams, "A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.
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#3453589 - 08/12/14 02:08 PM Re: Backup cameras [Re: Hokiefyd]
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Registered: 08/20/03
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Loc: NE,Ohio
subaru forester most in-class visibility, massive windows... and now... a standard backup camera.

They could add a basic backup camera for less than 50$ to most vehicles.. probably less than 20$ if using integration, (same screen for radio, info, camera etc)


Edited by Rand (08/12/14 02:09 PM)
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#3453597 - 08/12/14 02:18 PM Re: Backup cameras [Re: supton]
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Registered: 03/16/04
Posts: 7256
Loc: USA
Bumpers are more fragile to getting bumped. Now they are plastic that can crack etc instead of the good old days of metal/rubber.

When I used to parallel park in Boston in too tight spots I would lightly tap the car behind. Now I can see it in the camera of my MDX in nav screen.
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#3453614 - 08/12/14 02:29 PM Re: Backup cameras [Re: Miller88]
MCompact Offline


Registered: 07/21/02
Posts: 3333
Loc: KY
Originally Posted By: Miller88
[quote=Trajan]
Good question. Ask the goons at the federal level why it's now mandatory? Their reasoning? People were backing over their kids.


I'm betting that the next Safety Nanny crusade will involve the brain-dead morons who "forget" their kids are in the back seat and leave them in their car in the broiling sun.
I wonder what electronic panacea will be mandated to absolve those imbeciles of responsibility?
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