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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: MolaKule] #3597423
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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
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Would the HyperLube Zinc-replacement stuff compete with the other AW additives in a fully formulated oil (i.e., Mobil1)? I noticed some researchers said you can't just add Ionic Lubricants (ILs) to fully formulated motor oil, as it competes for the surface with what normal motor oils already have. Can we assume Hyperlube is not going to work based on the experience with IL ?


The HyperLube in question is not an Ionic Liquid and does not compete with other AW additives but is synergistic.


OK, sounds like HyperLube no-zinc formula (ester) is the real deal. No way to tell once I put it in the oil, as my butt-dyno is only sensitive to anything above 2.8 on the Richter scale. I'll use MolaKules recomendation of 1 oz per quart motor oil, since any decent oil already has the SN limit of zddp there.

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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: DanMiller] #3601107
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I doubt there will be any "butt-dyno" effects on the Richter scale smile as it is not a friction modifier but an additional anti-wear additive.

For the daily driver using a good OTC oil, I see no reason to use it.

If you are concerned about wear during tracking, it may help reduce wear.

But if I were tracking, I think I would use a high ZDDP oil similar to Amsoil's Z-Rod or Dominator racing oils.

The only reason I discuss this at all is because I have used a similar chemistry in a low-vis formulation with 300 ppm of ZDDP and a polymer chemistry, and wear results were good.

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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: DanMiller] #3601124
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If we believe Hyperlube's own cam wear tables, this stuff can boost wear performance. MolaKule's good experience and some articles I read seem to corroborate the good effects. I'm looking for anything to reduce wear over what dexos1, MB 229.5, etc. already requires.

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Are there any similar products that are at a better price point?


Currently using, Fuchs TITAN GT1 PRO FLEX 5W-30, M1 5W-20 and Castrol Edge 0W-20 Gold B.
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Originally Posted By: Koz1
Are there any similar products that are at a better price point?


Not at this time.

The polymer ester is expensive.


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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: MolaKule] #3608898
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Thank you.
Cheers.


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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: DanMiller] #4743999
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Did we ever get to the bottom of if this stuff and Schaefer 132 have similar chemistry and concept of use/protection?

I found a good number of 132 bottles in my garage. Might start dosing it into my 20wt oils...

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HyperLube Zinc Replacement is a pure polymer ester, nothing else.

Schaeffer's #132 is mostly an oil thickener (VII) with some ester mixed in and these components:


Moly 25
Phosphorus 120
Zinc 10
Antimony 64

Vi @ 100c 220

It is used primarily in diesel and gasoline engines with worn rings and worn valve stem seals, AKA, "smokers."


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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
HyperLube Zinc Replacement is a pure polymer ester, nothing else.

Schaeffer's #132 is mostly an oil thickener (VII) with some ester mixed in and these components:


Moly 25
Phosphorus 120
Zinc 10
Antimony 64

Vi @ 100c 220

It is used primarily in diesel and gasoline engines with worn rings and worn valve stem seals, AKA, "smokers."


Will a full bottle added to M1 or PP 5w30 push it to a 40 grade? Thanks.


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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: demarpaint] #4744767
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
HyperLube Zinc Replacement is a pure polymer ester, nothing else.
Schaeffer's #132 is mostly an oil thickener (VII) with some ester mixed in and these components:

Will a full bottle added to M1 or PP 5w30 push it to a 40 grade? Thanks.

Schaeffer's #132 Moly EP certainly will take a 5w30 to a 5w40 or 10w40, easily with 16 oz in 1 bottle (assume 5 qt sump).
HyperLube ZRA has a KV100 of about 37, if I converted the MSDS's dynamic visc at 100 correctly to kinematic visc; Therefore, you get a +1 cSt boost from HyperLube ZRA at 12 oz in a 5qt sump, so it does not quite make it to a 40 weight.

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interesting for sure, i like many are trying to "reinvent the wheel" with todays declining additives something to add a bit more protection is interesting. i have blended Redlines high moly oils with Mobil I EP both 10-30 + wondering if this helps or hurts anything more than my wallet!!!

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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
HyperLube Zinc Replacement is a pure polymer ester, nothing else.
Schaeffer's #132 is mostly an oil thickener (VII) with some ester mixed in and these components:

Will a full bottle added to M1 or PP 5w30 push it to a 40 grade? Thanks.

Schaeffer's #132 Moly EP certainly will take a 5w30 to a 5w40 or 10w40, easily with 16 oz in 1 bottle (assume 5 qt sump).
HyperLube ZRA has a KV100 of about 37, if I converted the MSDS's dynamic visc at 100 correctly to kinematic visc; Therefore, you get a +1 cSt boost from HyperLube ZRA at 12 oz in a 5qt sump, so it does not quite make it to a 40 weight.


Thanks, I figured the #132 would give it a bump, too much for my liking. I guess it really is for oil burners only, unless cut with something.


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Originally Posted By: demarpaint


Thanks, I figured the #132 would give it a bump, too much for my liking. I guess it really is for oil burners only, unless cut with something.


I have used schaffer's 132 50/50 with motor oil as an assembly lube. Seems to stay put on cylinders when installing pistons/rings and for start up.


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Mola, would there be any advantage in using the hyperlube zinc replacement ester with engines that are known for fuel dilution?


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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: spasm3] #4745241
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint


Thanks, I figured the #132 would give it a bump, too much for my liking. I guess it really is for oil burners only, unless cut with something.


I have used schaffer's 132 50/50 with motor oil as an assembly lube. Seems to stay put on cylinders when installing pistons/rings and for start up.


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