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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: DanMiller] #3591241
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thanks for posting that vintageant...
since i am learning from the forum, i have some questions regarding that linky above that shows zinc and zddp analysis...

are they not one and the same? or are they different? Is zinc the only value one should look at or look and take both into account?

Because if both values are taken into account then it seems to me there would be too much zinc in the oils than is necessary.

i am not formally edumucated in this field so sorry about all the questions.


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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: DanMiller] #3591247
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ok, so i have reread the article and see that the zddp is calculated and the zinc and phosphorous are from analysis...

so i think that i have answered my own question, and that the zinc value alone is likely the one to use for choosing your oil, but let me know other wise,

thanks

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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: DanMiller] #3591274
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John_Conrad

More info here:

http://classiccars.about.com/od/maintena...il-Additive.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinc_dithiophosphate

'Classic Cars' probably means pre-1980s and pre-catalytic converters

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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: DanMiller] #3591347
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thanks, i had found the first linky via search...and its a good read for rookies like me!!!

and I do have one of those older vehicles pre1980, in the form of 1978 chevy truck, i am slowly restoring. it has the 400 engine and came from the factory with heavy duty emissions ie no catalytic converter, therefore my interest in this thread.

thank you again sir.

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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: DanMiller] #3591562
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The http://www.hyperlube.com/c3/Zinc-Replacement-Additive-c7.html

is a no-zinc formula for extra anti-wear capabilities that replaces zinc for vehicles in which higher ZDDP levels may affect the catalytic converter.

http://www.hyperlube.com/c3/Oil-Supplement-c6.html is an oil thickener for engines that may have oil loss and bad rings, i.e., an engine that is "loosy-goosy."

All you need in an older engine is a good modern oil of the proper viscosity. For a 400, we run a 10W30 or a 10W40, depending on whether it is a "parade" car or whether it is tracked, respectively.

Has this engine been rebuilt or did you receive it with high mileage?


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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: DanMiller] #3592479
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Thanks molakule for the info.

the 400 has been rebuilt


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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: John_Conrad] #3592957
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Originally Posted By: John_Conrad
Thanks molakule for the info.

the 400 has been rebuilt


Then my suggestion is to run Amsoil Break-In oil

http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/motor-oil/gasoline/break-in-oil-(sae-30)/?code=BRKQT-EA

for 500 miles and then change to a good 10W40 mineral oil like PYB or Mobil 5000, unless modern seals have been installed and if that is the case you could run a Blend or even synthetic

For the type of driving it will see, I don't see synthetic as an economic lube.

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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: spasm3] #3594794
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Being a polymer ester it is very miscible which means goes into suspension and stays there.

It does not appreciably affect the oil's viscosity at cold temps.

Here is a way to show yourself this works. Put about 2.5 oz. of Hyperlube in a quart of 5W30 oil. Bring it inside and mix it. Set it ouside and compare it to a non-additized quart of 5W30 oil, same manf.

Tell us what you see.



I may try this. I have some gsud in clear bottles. Now i know that in older posts you have suggested that with schaeffers 132, you only need 5 or so ounces as an antiwear. How much of this is necessary? They suggest a quart with 4-5 quarts.


I tried this, i cant see any obvious viscosity by shaking etc. IT appeared the air bubbles moved the same when shaken, i can't see a difference. What did i miss? Or is that the point?

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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: DanMiller] #3595180
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I put both bottles in the freezer to -8 degrees f. Still i see no difference in how the oil moves , holds bubbles or how the oil film moves back down the bottle.


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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: spasm3] #3595233
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Originally Posted By: spasm3
I put both bottles in the freezer to -8 degrees f. Still i see no difference in how the oil moves , holds bubbles or how the oil film moves back down the bottle.


Quote:
I tried this, i cant see any obvious viscosity by shaking etc.


Did you mix the HyperLube Zinc replacement with QSUD and then put it in a freezer?

You lost me in your sequence of events and what you used.


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Would the HyperLube Zinc-replacement stuff compete with the other AW additives in a fully formulated oil (i.e., Mobil1)? I noticed some researchers said you can't just add Ionic Lubricants (ILs) to fully formulated motor oil, as it competes for the surface with what normal motor oils already have. Can we assume Hyperlube is not going to work based on the experience with IL ?

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I put both bottles in the freezer to -8 degrees f. Still i see no difference in how the oil moves , holds bubbles or how the oil film moves back down the bottle.


Quote:
I tried this, i cant see any obvious viscosity by shaking etc.


Did you mix the HyperLube Zinc replacement with QSUD and then put it in a freezer?

You lost me in your sequence of events and what you used.


I took a bottle of qsud and took out 2.5 oz of oil, added 2.5 of the zinc replacement. I shook it well , no noticeable difference. I set it on my porch overnight with another unopened bottle of gsud (20f overnight. I could not see a real difference, so i then put both bottles in the freezer for several hours at say -8. I took them out, shook them looked at how the oil moved, ran down the neck of the bottle, looked at how the air bubbles moved through the cold oil when shaken. Not sure what i should have seen but i could not really tell a difference. Did i use enough of the additive? This oil is going in my saturn tomorrow btw.

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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: DanMiller] #3595477
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Would this test be better with a conventional oil rather than a synthetic?


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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: CrawfishTails] #3595611
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Would the HyperLube Zinc-replacement stuff compete with the other AW additives in a fully formulated oil (i.e., Mobil1)? I noticed some researchers said you can't just add Ionic Lubricants (ILs) to fully formulated motor oil, as it competes for the surface with what normal motor oils already have. Can we assume Hyperlube is not going to work based on the experience with IL ?


The HyperLube in question is not an Ionic Liquid and does not compete with other AW additives but is synergistic.


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Re: hy-per lube zinc replacement additive [Re: spasm3] #3595617
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I put both bottles in the freezer to -8 degrees f. Still i see no difference in how the oil moves , holds bubbles or how the oil film moves back down the bottle.


Quote:
I tried this, i cant see any obvious viscosity by shaking etc.


Did you mix the HyperLube Zinc replacement with QSUD and then put it in a freezer?

You lost me in your sequence of events and what you used.


I took a bottle of qsud and took out 2.5 oz of oil, added 2.5 of the zinc replacement. I shook it well , no noticeable difference. I set it on my porch overnight with another unopened bottle of gsud (20f overnight. I could not see a real difference, so i then put both bottles in the freezer for several hours at say -8. I took them out, shook them looked at how the oil moved, ran down the neck of the bottle, looked at how the air bubbles moved through the cold oil when shaken. Not sure what i should have seen but i could not really tell a difference. Did i use enough of the additive? This oil is going in my saturn tomorrow btw.


Okay, gotcha.

You should see little difference between the unadditized oil and the additized oil in terms of low temp viscosity, which appears to prove what I said earlier.

Originally Posted By: spasm3
Would this test be better with a conventional oil rather than a synthetic?


It should not matter.

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