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Winter, err, vehicle...take three... #2745460
09/16/12 12:02 PM
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Jarlaxle Offline OP
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Well...I didn't see this coming, but she's looking at two different...Ford Rangers. (Don't look at me...) Both are 2WD regular cab 4-bangers with automatic transmissions and A/C.

Truck 1: Dark green 2007 XLT, cloth seats, power windows, aftermarket CD stereo, tilt/cruise. Cheap plastic bedliner, what looks like 15" Explorer 5-spoke steelies. Body is in decent shape aside from a dented bedrail. Interior is in decent shape, though a bit worn. Astoundingly, the odometer shows 205,000 miles!

Truck 2: White 2005 XL, absolute bottom-line lowest-bidder fleet truck: Rubber mats, vinyl seat, crank windows, AM/FM, basic steel wheels with center caps, body is straight (though inside the box has some scrapes), interior is good. 77,000 miles.

So...Paco, what do I need to look for? smile


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Re: Winter, err, vehicle...take three... [Re: Jarlaxle] #2745478
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Truck 2. Lower miles, and being that it has no "Features" there is less to break.


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Re: Winter, err, vehicle...take three... [Re: Jarlaxle] #2745488
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A 2wd ranger for winter driving in New England?

Last edited by volk06; 09/16/12 12:31 PM.

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Re: Winter, err, vehicle...take three... [Re: volk06] #2745496
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Jarlaxle Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: volk06
A 2wd ranger for winter driving in New England?


Sure...works fine with a set of snow tires. Her current winter vehicle is a Camaro Z28 Super Sport.


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2011 Crown Vic P71, 5W-20 NextGen, Motorcraft
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Re: Winter, err, vehicle...take three... [Re: Jarlaxle] #2745498
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I drove a 2wd s10 for 3 years in Minnesota winter with no problems. Get some get good tires and add some sand bags in the back and you will be fine. Before the advent of FWD cars and SUV's, we did just fine.

Dave

Re: Winter, err, vehicle...take three... [Re: Jarlaxle] #2745501
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The whole FWD vs RWD thing is irrelevant in winter, with a solid set of snow tires, 90% of the time it will be driver error that puts you in the ditch or into another car in the winter.

Last edited by Brenden; 09/16/12 12:45 PM.

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Re: Winter, err, vehicle...take three... [Re: Jarlaxle] #2745518
09/16/12 01:01 PM
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Those will both have the 2.3 Duratec, which so far seems to be pretty reliable. 205K on the engine wouldn't concern me, but I would take a look at the transmission fluid and check the ball joints. If the trans fluid looks good and it shifts good I wouldn't worry about it, but if the ball joints haven't been done before they are probably pretty loose at that many miles. If maintenance has been done though it probably has a lot of life left in it. I would expect the usual high mileage Ford issues...burnt out dash lights, CELs for nonsense things, wiper/turn signal stalk turning wipers on randomly, constant door ajar light, etc. The good thing is most Ranger problems are simple fixes.

Maintenance history isn't as much of a concern on the truck with 77K miles on it. If they never changed the trans fluid it's not a big deal. If the trans fluid was never changed on the truck with 205K miles, I probably wouldn't buy it, at least not as a daily driver.

Since this is a winter beater though, I'd probably actually go for the XLT, even with the higher miles. It will probably be a little cheaper due to the mileage, and the XLT interior is much better on a day to day basis than the XL interior. It has more sound deadening, more storage, four speakers instead of two, etc.

I do have to say though, it's a pretty poor choice of winter beater. With good tires a 2WD Ranger can get around in the snow, but a lot of vehicles get around better. Good tires are a must.


2002 Ford Ranger XLT | 3.0 V6 / 5-Speed Automatic / 2WD | 216K miles
1994 Ford Ranger STX | 4.0 V6 / 5-Speed Manual / 4X4 | 199K miles
Re: Winter, err, vehicle...take three... [Re: 01rangerxl] #2745526
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This is simple,

Truck #2.

Re: Winter, err, vehicle...take three... [Re: Jarlaxle] #2745530
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Jarlaxle Offline OP
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It's not really a winter beater...she is considering retiring her Z28 (with 115,000 miles) from daily driver duties. I have not seen either truck yet, will do so (and get the prices) Monday.

A 2005 will have power steering standard and 4-wheel ABS, right? (No power steering means no sale for Tina.)


1979 Coupe de Ville, 542 stroker, Super Tech 15W40, Purolator
2011 Crown Vic P71, 5W-20 NextGen, Motorcraft
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Re: Winter, err, vehicle...take three... [Re: Jarlaxle] #2745551
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Shame they didnt have manual trans,it would be getting 28-32 mpg regularly. Just what Ford needs,a high mpg pickup and then they discontinue the line.Of course if it wasnt for Mazda they wouldnt have even had the engine available (and they would have used Pinto 2300/2500s up thru the end date).

Re: Winter, err, vehicle...take three... [Re: Jarlaxle] #2745555
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Reminds me of Henry Ford II in the mid 1970s.....he had stated to Lee Iacocca "..There will never be a foreign engine in a Ford vehicle..." (Iacocca wanted Honda CVCC engines for Ford's small cars).As wacko as HFII was at that point he forgot about the Mazda powered/Mazda made Ford Courier pickup,the British and German Ford engines in Pintos,the British engined/British made Ford Cortina and the upcoming German engine in the German made Ford Fiesta.And I guess all those Pintos didnt have imported transmissions either....

Re: Winter, err, vehicle...take three... [Re: Jarlaxle] #2745562
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Truck two. Small RWD pickups are bad in snow, but I drove them for several years in Iowa, which gets lots of snow, and in Kansas. I drove S-10 pickups in Iowa and my Nissan here in KS.

I would say a set of snow tires, even cheap ones, will be a must-have. Cheap snow tires like the Firestone Winterforce will be a huge improvement over an all-season tire.

I had snow tires on my S-10 trucks and I still got stuck every once in a while when I lived in Iowa. Two years ago we had a bad winter in Kansas and I got stuck in a parking lot in a nearby town and had to spend the night in a hotel.

An alternate choice would be a set of chains you could use if you get stuck or if you'll be tackling a big hill in bad weather.

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Re: Winter, err, vehicle...take three... [Re: Jarlaxle] #2745563
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Quote:

A 2005 will have power steering standard and 4-wheel ABS, right?


FYI, Power steering is very "heavy" in my 2006 B2300;


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2007 Yaris 71K 0w-40 Castrol
2006 B2300;130K;ALM


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Re: Winter, err, vehicle...take three... [Re: Jarlaxle] #2745624
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Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
It's not really a winter beater...she is considering retiring her Z28 (with 115,000 miles) from daily driver duties. I have not seen either truck yet, will do so (and get the prices) Monday.

A 2005 will have power steering standard and 4-wheel ABS, right? (No power steering means no sale for Tina.)


Yep, power steering and 4 wheel ABS will be standard on a 2005. The automatic is even a 5-speed.

If this is going to be more of a long term commuter vehicle, I'd lean towards the lower mileage truck even with the more spartan interior. I'd buy the high mileage one as a work truck/beater.


2002 Ford Ranger XLT | 3.0 V6 / 5-Speed Automatic / 2WD | 216K miles
1994 Ford Ranger STX | 4.0 V6 / 5-Speed Manual / 4X4 | 199K miles
Re: Winter, err, vehicle...take three... [Re: Jarlaxle] #2745631
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My concern with the 2005 is that it was a fleet truck and I have absolutely no idea how (or IF) it was maintained. Also, I'm not sure the very short Tina can drive a Ranger without a tilt column!

I do know that she won't be able to carry an adult passenger in that one...it has a one-piece bench seat.


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