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Re: Motor Kote (works) #265454 08/25/03 01:52 AM
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Oilmeup,

It would have been more educational if you had given us some background on this article and who the author might be.

"Prolong scored a 100 ft/lbs of torque for 10 seconds until the spinning wheel stopped on the tester. Motorkote was held at 120+ ft/lbs of torque for 3 minutes and didn't stop. I could only apply 120-125 ft/lbs of torque for that period of time until my arm felt like is was going to fall off. The spinning wheel didn't stop and I could not get the wheel to stop at any time. Motorkote literature claims that it will withstand 600 ft/lbs of torque without stopping with the use of a weighted bearing tester. As with Prolong the race began to smoke when it got hot but Motorkote kept on spinning where Prolong stopped. I didn't have a way to determine the exact temperature however it was very hot to the touch through the rag I was using to clean the wheel. Whether it's 120 ft/lbs or 600 ft/lbs it is clear that Motorkote reduces friction and increases lubricity, therefore increasing gas mileage and horsepower. David E.
Persell, Ph.D. Inventor and President of Motorkote, Inc. says "Motorkote 100 dramatically reduces friction; if you reduce friction you reduce heat; if you reduce heat you reduce wear.""

Sounds like a Timken tester similar to the one Schaeffer's hands out to its sales staff.

He incorrectly identifies ft./lbs as torque, which is lb.ft (N.m). What he is doing is using a lever arm to create a "force" of so many pounds on a pin bearing down on a spinning wheel, with the spinning wheel (a beaering race) in an oil bath. The Timken test is primarily an AW/EP wear test, and not a friction reduction test.

Re: Motor Kote (works) #265455 08/25/03 05:51 AM
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how does schaeffer's moly e.p.#132 do? same as motorkote?

Re: Motor Kote (works) #265456 08/25/03 06:39 AM
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MotorKote is showing potential (Timken). We will test it and Militec 1 again with many different oils both dino and syn. Will take a while though...s

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I think that most people here are more interested in weather or not it is corrosive if left in the engine past 3000 miles!!! I am also interested in weather it has PTFE or any other solids. I do not want ptfe or any solids in my engine!

Re: Motor Kote (works) #265458 11/02/03 09:57 AM
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http://www.motorkote.com/analysis101.html

This is the complete article on this product.

Re: Motor Kote (works) #265459 11/02/03 06:35 AM
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On doing a search on google I found a reference ( a few years old) to Motorkote having PTFE in it. Of course this may have changed. Their website doesn't give any clue as to want is in this stuff. Not helpful at all IMO.

Re: Motor Kote (works) #265460 11/04/03 01:12 AM
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You could spend $6.30 per quart of synthetic oil: $100.80 per oil change (PSD will hold 16 qt.) which is $1,008 every 30,000 miles (10 oil changes) on oils alone verses $1.00 per quart of organic and $160 every $30,000. When you compare $160 to $1,008 I can think of many other things I'd rather have for the $848 big ones. For that kind of money you could change your oil every 500 miles and your filter every 3,000 miles for $900 and still save money with the organic oil over the synthetic. You would have cleaner oil for less money and cleaner oil means less friction, lower engine temperatures and better lubrication. The Amsoil and the Rotella T synthetic would have to lubricate more than 6 times or have scored a 290 ft/lbs to equal the cost in lubricity of the synthetic over the organic oil.

My only questuion is...what type of half-wit would change the oil on thier powerstroke diesel, every 3000 miles..esspecially with synthetic???

Re: Motor Kote (works) #265461 11/04/03 04:01 AM
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I don't think that someone who can afford a new PSD is worrying about oil costs.
I would also hope that, if using a synth, the oil change interval would increase compared to dino oil.

If motorkote is so great, then why don't they give us some free samples to use in VOA/UOAs. If everyone suddenly has a reduction in wear, think it works. If nothing changes, then it doesn't.

Anything that comes directly from the marketing/advertisement dept is nothing but make believe. Articles/testimonials/claims... don't mean a thing.

Oilmeup, how long have you been selling motorkote [Smile]

Re: Motor Kote (works) #265462 07/19/04 09:01 AM
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Oilmeup, how long have you been selling motorkote [Smile] [/QB][/QUOTE]

Oilmeup was on the board the last few days using the name "copafeel". He posted a new long article about MotorKote that is a rehash of the above. He has been banned under the copafeel name, but not oilmeup.

To show that we do discuss all products as they come on the board, I am bringing this to the top and prove to him that his statement about the Mods is incorrect, we have had discussion on his product. I hope his sales are improving.

[I dont know]

[I dont know]

Re: Motor Kote (works) #265463 07/19/04 07:38 PM
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so this product is good or sux?

Re: Motor Kote (works) #265464 07/19/04 07:49 PM
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I used to giggle uncontrollably whenever someone would say that Product X is really great, and then "back it up" with "proof" from Product X's sales literature. Now it just annoys me.

Have a clue people: if you truly have used the product and have found it to be of benefit (and you're not a marketing stooge yourself), you'd do better with the utterly non-scientific, anecdotal, "I used it and my car seemed quieter and my oil leak stopped" than with copying and pasting long, prattling, crap from Product X's website.

It's pretty simple, really, and not that hard to remember ... so give it a try, huh? Anything else is the equivalent of saying, "it works because they told me it does." Really? Did you know that if you give me $1,000, I can guarantee you a 10-fold return on your investment? No, really. I said it's true, so it must be, right? Now give me the grand.

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Just watch the videos on their website...then you'll believe in it! [Bang Head]

http://motorkote.com/demo1.htm
http://motorkote.com/demo2.htm

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quote:
Originally posted by Jelly:
Just watch the videos on their website...then you'll believe in it! [Bang Head]

http://motorkote.com/demo1.htm
http://motorkote.com/demo2.htm

Yeah, and dishwashing soap would probably do better than any of those ... guess I'll go dump some dishwashing soap in my crankcase ...

Re: Motor Kote (works) #265467 07/20/04 11:46 PM
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Your kidding me right? Motorkotes tests are funnier than the ones done on lucas. SFR would knock the snot out of motorkote any place any time they only put like maybe 7-10 weights on that machine I've seen tests with SFR with an extended arm and someone holding the motordown pull 40 weights with a wear scar less or the same. There are far better products out there than Motorkote when ever any one hears its the best product on the market it makes everyone think of ways to discredit the product. All of motorkotes hoop la about FTC and what knot is played out amsoil whipped that dead horse a long time ago. Lets get to the root of things WHY or WHAT is the or makes a GREAT product.

Re: Motor Kote (works) #265468 07/25/04 04:52 AM
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SFR? What id that? Did we miss something?

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