Top 5 filters

[kschachn]

Originally Posted by Farnsworth
You and zero seem to ride to work together. I thought I was abledbody. The toilet paper filter efficiencies are published with well referenced outside party results. You are excellent at searching for what you want to find. Remember, in English efficiency is a word that does not apply only to your Fram Ultra multi pass test on the Fram Ultra box. One request, can you stop trolling me? Many of your posts are attacks on people, not about the topic. Go post your question in the bypass filter forum and see what they say.

I'll look for toilet paper roll efficiencies online but I don't have a lot of hope for finding them. And by the way, I don't use Fram filters at all. I use Hengst on the BMW, Toyota Denso on my Toyota cars, and Honda OEM on the Accord.

My question to you was entirely on topic. You stated that a toilet paper roll is more efficient than any full flow auto filter. I asked where that is demonstrated. Should I refrain from asking such questions on here?

 

[PimTac]

Comparing toilet paper filters to the ones in this conversation puts one's credibility in question.

 

[1978elcamino]

I'm suprised to see Motorcraft filters making the bad list, I was always under the impression they were quality filters capable of long OCI's. It looks like my new f150's OLM will recommend the changes around 10k, is there another brand filter I should be using?

 

[Triple_Se7en]

Originally Posted by 1978elcamino
I'm suprised to see Motorcraft filters making the bad list, I was always under the impression they were quality filters capable of long OCI's. It looks like my new f150's OLM will recommend the changes around 10k, is there another brand filter I should be using?

Fram - Wix - NAPA are better.

 

[Malo83]

Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
Originally Posted by 1978elcamino
I'm suprised to see Motorcraft filters making the bad list, I was always under the impression they were quality filters capable of long OCI's. It looks like my new f150's OLM will recommend the changes around 10k, is there another brand filter I should be using?

Fram - Wix - NAPA are better.

These are what i run, and STP on my 83 C10, just because

 

[Job]

Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by Farnsworth
You and zero seem to ride to work together. I thought I was abledbody. The toilet paper filter efficiencies are published with well referenced outside party results. You are excellent at searching for what you want to find. Remember, in English efficiency is a word that does not apply only to your Fram Ultra multi pass test on the Fram Ultra box. One request, can you stop trolling me? Many of your posts are attacks on people, not about the topic. Go post your question in the bypass filter forum and see what they say.

I'll look for toilet paper roll efficiencies online but I don't have a lot of hope for finding them. And by the way, I don't use Fram filters at all. I use Hengst on the BMW, Toyota Denso on my Toyota cars, and Honda OEM on the Accord.

My question to you was entirely on topic. You stated that a toilet paper roll is more efficient than any full flow auto filter. I asked where that is demonstrated. Should I refrain from asking such questions on here?


You don't have to refrain, but you can search before not refraining and not imply such tests don't exist. See the Frantz oil filters. I said most of your posts are about people, not all. The OP asked what are the top 5 oil filters. No other parameters. Efficiency the word does not apply only to the multi pass test. I said the top one is any one of the several using toilet paper or there are a couple that make their own depth filters that mimic toilet paper. I agree and tend to use OEM full flow. Actually I found the GM dealer is so reasonable I just went there and waited for the car to be brought around, washed, tires rotated, and ready to go. They charge $50 for that, and full synthetic up to six quarts with GM filter of course.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted by Farnsworth
I thought I was Ablebody.


You where also. Many here know the username progression sequence. Not hard to see by the postings under many names. You might actually hold the reincarnation record - congrats.

 

[kkreit01]

Its funny how times have changed. When I joined 13 years ago, Purolator Pure One and Motorcraft were among the favorites. Fram was absolute junk.

 

[Triple_Se7en]

Originally Posted by kkreit01
Its funny how times have changed. When I joined 13 years ago, Purolator Pure One and Motorcraft were among the favorites. Fram was absolute junk.

Funny how oil filter brands change over time. Some get better - Some get worse.

 

[Bill_W]

Brands are bought and sold, now Fram was just sold.

 

[bullwinkle]

Originally Posted by diyjake
Originally Posted by bullwinkle
I would put the Fleetguard Stratapore Venturi first (if it's available for your engine), then Donaldson Blue, then the Ultra, then RP, then regular FG Stratapore, then Luberfiner Imperial XL/Mobil 1/RECENTLY made K&N (made by Champ). Worst would be pretty much anything Mann & Hummel makes in a cellulose media filter-they're pretty much all tied for worst!


Aren't these filters made more for trucks / heavy duty equipment? I don't know if I ever seem them for passenger cars.
Some are, the Ultra, M1, newer K&N, and Royal Purple are all available for cars. I would add Affinia made CQ Blue to that list if available.

 

[dnewton3]

Let's expound on this a bit ... And rephrase the question ....

What's the worst thread about unproven hyperbole surrounding oil filters?
#1 ..... this thread
#2 ..... all the others like it

Nothing wrong with having opinions. But somehow those are taken as "fact". Inputs are just that; they play into an equation. Outputs are the important thing; let's talk results. How many seized engines are we personally aware of that are a direct result of some "feature" or "characteristic" of a filter gone bad? How much proof do we have that feature XYZ or characteristic PDQ actually makes a difference in wear control or engine longevity in REAL WORLD USE (not a trumped up lab report or HALT experiment)?

I've read countless numbers of thread about leaf vs coil springs; ADBV location; media construction; holes v. louvers; BP relief setting; BP material, etc. I see the discussion. I NEVER see any data to back it up. I NEVER see any proof that one path is "better" or "best" over some alternative. Show me data, conclusive proof, that a coil spring is truly superior to a leaf spring. Go on, do it! Any of you. Show me that louvers are "better" than holes; dig up that study where it is conclusively shown that one is "best". Come on now; don't be shy. Prove to me that a "plastic" (nylon) BP is inferior to steel; I double dog dare you!

I don't mind people asking "what's the best ...."? But they don't define the parameters well enough to get a good answer. And most answers are based on opinion and not proof.
What I mind, what I find irritating, is that most all these threads have ZERO proof attached to them.


Hey ... what's the best (oil, filter, tire, bullet size, stereo speaker, toothpaste, dental gum, paper plate, cell phone, reclining sofa, basket ball team, air purifier, thread about threads regarding a thread about the best of ....) ??????????

 

[Bill_W]

Originally Posted by dnewton3

Nothing wrong with having opinions.
I don't mind people asking "what's the best ...."? But they don't define the parameters well enough to get a good answer. And most answers are based on opinion and not proof.
What I mind, what I find irritating, is that most all these threads have ZERO proof attached to them.


My opinion... The best oil filter is a OEM filter. Each engine is unique. Everything else shoots like a gun in the dark of perceived better but the OEM is engineered with one engine in mind. A long time ago you could do a lot to an engine and feel great about it. Not any more...

 

[69Torino]

Originally Posted by dnewton3
Let's expound on this a bit ... And rephrase the question ....

What's the worst thread about unproven hyperbole surrounding oil filters?
#1 ..... this thread
#2 ..... all the others like it

Nothing wrong with having opinions. But somehow those are taken as "fact". Inputs are just that; they play into an equation. Outputs are the important thing; let's talk results. How many seized engines are we personally aware of that are a direct result of some "feature" or "characteristic" of a filter gone bad? How much proof do we have that feature XYZ or characteristic PDQ actually makes a difference in wear control or engine longevity in REAL WORLD USE (not a trumped up lab report or HALT experiment)?

I've read countless numbers of thread about leaf vs coil springs; ADBV location; media construction; holes v. louvers; BP relief setting; BP material, etc. I see the discussion. I NEVER see any data to back it up. I NEVER see any proof that one path is "better" or "best" over some alternative. Show me data, conclusive proof, that a coil spring is truly superior to a leaf spring. Go on, do it! Any of you. Show me that louvers are "better" than holes; dig up that study where it is conclusively shown that one is "best". Come on now; don't be shy. Prove to me that a "plastic" (nylon) BP is inferior to steel; I double dog dare you!

I don't mind people asking "what's the best ...."? But they don't define the parameters well enough to get a good answer. And most answers are based on opinion and not proof.
What I mind, what I find irritating, is that most all these threads have ZERO proof attached to them.


Hey ... what's the best (oil, filter, tire, bullet size, stereo speaker, toothpaste, dental gum, paper plate, cell phone, reclining sofa, basket ball team, air purifier, thread about threads regarding a thread about the best of ....) ??????????








I can prove that a leaf spring is easier to damage than a coil spring. I have an unused Ford Racing FL820S that was dented in shipping, resulting in a bent leaf spring and loose element inside the can. If you sent an oil filter with a coil spring in the same location and the same manner with the same force as the filter in question was dented, the spring and element would be unaffected. In this scenario, a coil spring would have been better.

But I do not use dented filters, ever. Because of this, I elected to cut it open and inspect it. The facts gleaned from my observation further reinforce my convictions about using dented filters, including the possibility of failure imposed at the stress point created by the dent.

Furthermore, Allison Transmission filters and Wix filters instruct to never use dented filters for these reasons. My point is that a coil spring is less susceptible to failure in the event road debris dents the filter in service.

Exhibit A;

 

[Pinoak]

There's a question asked with intent to stirring contention, I m sure.
I'd say the answer is entirely subjective.
My pick would be
Microgreen
Royal purple
Wix/nappa gold
K&n
Motorcraft
Because of build quality on the first 4 and more than sufficient filtering ability on all.
I only left out M1 because of it's dome end bypass leaf spring combo thingy dobber.

 

[CR94]

Originally Posted by 69Torino
... I can prove that a leaf spring is easier to damage than a coil spring. I have an unused Ford Racing FL820S that was dented in shipping, resulting in a bent leaf spring and loose element inside the can. If you sent an oil filter with a coil spring in the same location and the same manner with the same force as the filter in question was dented, the spring and element would be unaffected. In this scenario, a coil spring would have been better. ...
My point is that a coil spring is less susceptible to failure in the event road debris dents the filter in service.
Even if a typical leaf spring is more susceptible to damage by dropping the filter, that doesn't make it more susceptible to damage from denting a mounted filter. It was the sudden deceleration of your dropped filter that distorted the leaf spring, not the dent itself.
Doesn't a helical spring require more axial space, effectively reducing media area possible within a given can size?

 

[Pinoak]

Originally Posted by CR94
Originally Posted by 69Torino
... I can prove that a leaf spring is easier to damage than a coil spring. I have an unused Ford Racing FL820S that was dented in shipping, resulting in a bent leaf spring and loose element inside the can. If you sent an oil filter with a coil spring in the same location and the same manner with the same force as the filter in question was dented, the spring and element would be unaffected. In this scenario, a coil spring would have been better. ...
My point is that a coil spring is less susceptible to failure in the event road debris dents the filter in service.
Even if a typical leaf spring is more susceptible to damage by dropping the filter, that doesn't make it more susceptible to damage from denting a mounted filter. It was the sudden deceleration of your dropped filter that distorted the leaf spring, not the dent itself.
Doesn't a helical spring require more axial space, effectively reducing media area possible within a given can size?

69Torinos logic is more accurate simply because a leaf spring covers the diameter of the dome or with some styles it rest against the circumstance of the dome end at 4 points. A coil spring presses against the center of the dome. So unless a filter lands on the center of the dome end when dropped it's not as likely to effect the coil spring. It is however highly likely that it will effect a leaf spring.
One way in which a leaf spring is better is with the type that have four points of contact. Imagine this X or a cross whith a circle around it. It doesn't allow for as much play or shifting of the media as a single spring in the middle could at times like during cold starts or high revs.
I don't think there is really much to worry about though with either as long as the filter isn't damaged or dented.

 

[69Torino]

I completely agree with the above, and I have no bias towards either design. I simply inspect filters for damage prior to installing them. Visually first, and then a good hard shake to make sure they don't rattle. I will use either design. My requirements are, in order of importance;

-Base end bypass
-Silicone anti-drainback valve
-Blended or synthetic media (in lieu of straight cellulose)
-Thick can/high burst strength/impact resistance.

I prefer Ford Racing, K&N Gold, Motorcraft and Napa Gold Filters for these reasons.

 

[Bighorn2500]

Wix / Napa Gold
Donaldson Blue
Baldwin
Fleetguard strapore

I try to stick to these brands for the Durango, Ram, and John Deere's.

 

[Yuk]

Originally Posted by dnewton3
...bullet size... stereo speaker, toothpaste, dental gum, paper plate, cell phone, reclining sofa, basket ball team, air purifier, thread about threads regarding a thread about the best of ....) ??????????


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