Scummy Police work

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Highway through here is an arterial road from the major population centre in the country, into the rest of the state. Lots of stuff and people move every day.

This morning, tooling along the highway on the way to work, I come across some roadwoks, and are forced to slow from 100km/h limit, to 60, to 40, two lanes into 1...cops heavily patrolling the opposite side of the road to the roadworks (using radar), as is often their bent when there's a long stretch of road works.

Middle of the "roadworks" is a stationary backhoe between 4 cones.

After the backhoe, while you are still in the 40km/hr restricted fast lane, you see a line of police between the two lanes, and a guy with a sign flagging vehicles into the previously blocked off slow lane, where a line of Police wait for a line of cars (6 being tested, 6 in queue, any surplus allowed to pass in the fast lane)

RBT, free safety inspection (tyres only), licence check, and allowed to drive off. Truckies get a log book search, and cheek swab as well.

Aside from he inconvenience, I was a bit amazed at the whole roadworks stage show.

To which a workmate explained later on this evening...they aren't allowed to place an RBT station on a 100km/hr road (they can pull you over on suspicion, or test when pulled over on another infringement...but when the speed limit is reduced because of "roadworks", it's no longer a 100km/hr stretch of road.

Thus the antics.

Years ago, when they put in mobile speed cameras, I thought it was rich that the legislated sign at least 100m from the speed trap was being put 100m after the camera car...this is a pearler.
 
Yeah, much better to have people driving under the influence with bald tyres.


I wish the Police in the UK were able to still be as proactive.

Your post just confirms that I was more unlucky than I thought to get seriously injured at work just before my interview for St Johns WA.

You would be surprised at the number of serious RTC's caused or contributed to by the very things the Police were checking on at that checkpoint/roadblock.

Well done to the Police in your area.
 
Ah...the presumption of guilt... And the pretense of road work to set up a check point where it would not otherwise be allowed...
 
I am happy to be delayed if it gets one person that thinks laws don't apply to them just because it is driving related brought to justice.
 
I would RAGE if some snot nose [censored] cop told me he was gonna swab my cheek. I'd give him a swab between my cheeks.
 
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Originally Posted By: bigjl
I am happy to be delayed if it gets one person that thinks laws don't apply to them just because it is driving related brought to justice.


So everyone is a suspect? Law abiding citizens have to show innocence. That is a Police state. You are a subject not a citizen.
 
Nice.

But surely it is better to get drivers of large vehicle off the road if they are doing so hopped up on Amphetamines or Cocaine surely?

More serious accidents are caused by easoly spotted vehicle defects and by drug and drink driving than speed.

Though sometimes it is a combination of more than one. With speed also involved.

Politicians and the Press always focus on speeding as it is the universal scapegoat for them.

And the others are just to awkward to handle from a PR stand point.

Remember the old saying "Speed Kills", well it actually doesn't to any great extent.

But inappropriate speed does indeed kill.

The speed at which a serious accident can occur is also decreased as you involve other factors such as drugs, drink and vehicle defects.

A driver that is hopped up on Amphetamines with two dodgy tyres is more likely to involved in a serious accident at normal legal speeds than a sober, well rested driver in control of a well maintained vehicle at excess speed.

The only way to find drivers that are a danger but travelling at legal speeds is to do random spot checks.

To ignore something due to you perceiving it to be waste of your time is to condone it.
 
Originally Posted By: rshaw125
Originally Posted By: bigjl
I am happy to be delayed if it gets one person that thinks laws don't apply to them just because it is driving related brought to justice.


So everyone is a suspect? Law abiding citizens have to show innocence. That is a Police state. You are a subject not a citizen.


USA is getting closer to that line. Still glad I live in the USA where Napoleonic law does not rule. Odd the Brits and some former colonies cave so easily.
 
Originally Posted By: rshaw125
Originally Posted By: bigjl
I am happy to be delayed if it gets one person that thinks laws don't apply to them just because it is driving related brought to justice.


So everyone is a suspect? Law abiding citizens have to show innocence. That is a Police state. You are a subject not a citizen.


Are you aware how little sense your comment makes?


I suspect you have never lived in a Police State.

The logical conclusion using your logic is for all passports to no longer be checked at any time before or after an International Flight.

After all wouldn't want it to appear that we are in a Police State now would we?

Or would you prefer that only Black or Asian persons have their passports checked?

I suspect Australia is similar to the UK in that you can't just pull drivers over without suspicion that an offence has been committed.

But if you subject everybody to the same treatment, such as the OP was concerned with then actually nobody is a suspect.

But they are all subject to some basic checks that could save someone's life.

Of course if you feel that is an affront to your sensibilities then that is fine.

Please don't winge and moan if you are a victim of the kind of irresponsible and criminal behaviour that the Police are trying to eradicate.

Though all these people that vocally shout for civil liberties and rights do seem to go rather quiet when a drugged up driver smashes up a bus full of innocent road users.

2 minutes of your time to possibly save a life.

Think about it.

What about the rights of the innocents killed on the roads every year by those the tactics above is trying to stop.
 
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: rshaw125
Originally Posted By: bigjl
I am happy to be delayed if it gets one person that thinks laws don't apply to them just because it is driving related brought to justice.


So everyone is a suspect? Law abiding citizens have to show innocence. That is a Police state. You are a subject not a citizen.


USA is getting closer to that line. Still glad I live in the USA where Napoleonic law does not rule. Odd the Brits and some former colonies cave so easily.



You are aware that the OP is in Australia I take it.

From your comment I assume you have very rarely if ever been outside the US.

I personally thought the legal system was based on English Common Law in nearly every US state apart from Louisiana.

Not sure why you mention Napoleonic Law.

I am not French.

Even Canada's laws are based on English Common Law.

Have you forgotten that America was colonised?
 
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Originally Posted By: bigjl
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: rshaw125
Originally Posted By: bigjl
I am happy to be delayed if it gets one person that thinks laws don't apply to them just because it is driving related brought to justice.


So everyone is a suspect? Law abiding citizens have to show innocence. That is a Police state. You are a subject not a citizen.


USA is getting closer to that line. Still glad I live in the USA where Napoleonic law does not rule. Odd the Brits and some former colonies cave so easily.



You are aware that the OP is in Australia I take it.

From your comment I assume you have very rarely if ever been outside the US.

I personally thought the legal system was based on English Common Law in nearly every US state apart from Louisiana.

Not sure why you mention Napoleonic Law.

I am not French.

Even Canada's laws are based on English Common Law.

Have you forgotten that America was colonised?


You are aware that the OP is in Australia I take it. - Exactly why I wrote what I wrote. "some former colonies cave so easily."

From your comment I assume you have very rarely if ever been outside the US. - you would be very very wrong.

I personally thought the legal system was based on English Common Law in nearly every US state apart from Louisiana. - You would have thought, yet you are so willing to throw it all out the window.

Not sure why you mention Napoleonic Law.- basically no presumption of innocence

I am not French. - Never said you are

Even Canada's laws are based on English Common Law. And they stop people randomly?

Have you forgotten that America was colonised? - No. Why would you ask such a thing?
 
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Sobriety checkpoints were outlawed here at some time in the past.

I think the last one I went through was on my way home from work when I was 15. Cops saw a skinny kid in a Six Flags uniform on a 125cc motorcycle, checked my license, and sent me on my way. Go home kid....it's dangerous out here."

Fast forward...*cough* years to 2001. The checkpoints resurface. But they are no longer "sobriety" checkpoints. They are "terrorist" checkpoints. Now, they are not conducting these anywhere near the many defense contractors. Nope. They are just down the road from the giant converted K-Mart Honky-Tonk. But it's not a sobriety checkpoint. It's a terrorist checkpoint. Just in case there are terrorists that like to boot-scoot before they bomb.
 
I think sobriety checkpoints are fine. I was twice almost killed by drunk drivers while driving along minding my own business. I have a larger issue with wimpy judges who let these idiots off the hook because they whine like little children in court. The first drunk who hit and injured me eventually got off and went on to kill an 18 year old girl on her way home from a babysitting job. He then got 4 years in jail. She got buried in a 6 foot grave. when the police asked me to testify against him he plead guilty and cut the 4 year deal. I hope he rots in [censored].

BTW in the USA we have a larger right to not get killed by some jerkwad drinking and driving. There is not ONE person in the USA who has not been educated to the fact that this practice is simply wrong and dangerous to the public.
 
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Originally Posted By: Doog
I think sobriety checkpoints are fine. I was twice almost killed by drunk drivers while driving along minding my own business. I have a larger issue with wimpy judges who let these idiots off the hook because they whine like little children in court. The first drunk who hit and injured me eventually got off and went on to kill an 18 year old girl on her way home from a babysitting job. He then got 4 years in jail. She got buried in a 6 foot grave. when the police asked me to testify against him he plead guilty and cut the 4 year deal. I hope he rots in [censored].


His point is they are sobriety check points in name only. As a lot of people predicted they have morphed into much more.

As for Australia,England and Canada it is astonishing how little fight was put up when their respective governments eliminated freedom of speech. And just as astonishing how freedom of the press in the UK is a distant memory.
 
My state just got a bunch of federal money to pay cops overtime over the holiday season to cut OUIs. I guess TX got money for the terrorists.
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Around here the only purpose for a checkpoint is to make money. They don't care about people breaking the law; they just want the money. If they catch an illegal without a drivers license or insurance, they will just let them go (unless they are really drunk). They have no money to pay the fine, and bringing them to court costs more money than they will get in return. If an illegal is caught drunk driving, the police cannot impound their car. They have to leave it on the side of the road, so someone else (another illegal?) can pick it up. If a non-illegal like me were to get caught drunk driving, I would get my car impounded and have to pay about $100 a day for storage. It takes about 4 days to get your car back. The judge has to release it, and it take about 4 days to get in front of a judge.
 
We have the terrorist checkpoints. Massive waste of time, I'm sure if there were any "terrorists" they'd get off at the last exit once they heard there was one ahead anyway, can't believe they work at all.

Mainly all it does it create a massive inconvenience. And I'm not a big fan of being randomly inspected for no good reason. But if they put it under the title "terrorist" "you're either with us or you're against us" and we all have to "think of the children!"
 
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