I wasn’t discounting hurricanes but posting that Atlantic storms can be just as bad for coastal areas and actually more frequent.Granted that Sandy storm was technically not a tropical entity at landfall. It had an incoming upper level cold air system pulled into that storms center. Very, very rare circumstance there where the atmosphere had a combination of the northern jet stream and a tropical low pressure. Which actually caused the strong snow event even in the Blue Ridge Mountains northeast of Charlottesville. 12 inches of snow fell at 4,100 feet at a highest peak along Skyline Drive. And 22 inches of snow fell at the Virginia West Virginia state line along route 250. And 3 feet in Snowshoe resort.
I drove up to Wintergreen sky resort the day after landfall and it was 48 degrees east of the resort at 800 feet elevation. It was 28 degrees on top of the mountain at 3,800 feet and snowing with 3 inches of snow on the ground. A very, very steep lapse rate which is very unusual for late October in the mid Atlantic region.
Numerous hurricanes along the area northeast of even Virginia have happened.
Hurricane Carol and Edna in 1954, Hurricane Donna, Hurricane Gloria in 1985, Hurricane Bob in 1991. Hurricane Floyd in 1999. Hurricane Irene and others too.
And the strongest measured hurricane Express Hurricane of 1938 which was a category 3 borderline category 4 hitting Long Island and Connecticut and Rhode Island…. With a massive storm surge approaching 20 feet well ahead of that storm hitting while moving northward at 60 mph…. Killing almost 700 people and doing almost 700 million dollars in 1938 dollars worthy of damage…. Which in today’s money would easily be a whole, whole lot more than that. Only the 1900 Galveston hurricane did more damage in the US.
Well, we’ll know tomorrow how much flash flooding took place.Nah you are wrong here…
4-7inches of very, very heavy rainfall in my area WILL lead to flash flooding. . And I’d bet locally 8 inches in some very localized areas.
We have not been dry at all unlike northwestern Va.
Been a number of Flash Flood warnings in my area in the last 3 months…. Richmond area and south side Hampton Roads and even one just barely southeast of where I live. And those happened just a few weeks ago.
Which is why I stated what I stated.
Especially the way this storm is seemingly setting up. With a moisture corridor aligning along the coastal areas in Va and NC.
Similar to Floyd in 1999. Though no where near as bad as that…. 12-18 inches of rain in that.
I wasn’t discounting hurricanes but posting that Atlantic storms can be just as bad for coastal areas and actually more frequent.
Normally, you could count on a nor’easter or two every winter and it’s ironic how it always seems to happen around Halloween until December.
By far Sandy was the worst in 50ish + years.
Gloria wasn’t all that bad Long Island wise, I think the best they could do at the time was was up to a 84 ish MPH gust at Islip/Mac airport.
One must remember that my experiences and references are to the Northeast not the mid Atlantic.
I was around for Gloria It was actually fun still remember the calm of the eye pass by and then the wind pick up on the back end as it passed. Being on Long Island for five decades, it was the only one of any significance. The rest were always nor’easter’s. Besides Sandy, there was another unnamed double barrel low stationed off Long Island that wrecked havoc for quite some time pumping in water.
My post had to do with someone discounting todays storm.
I’m just posting this from recent memory as I lay on my sofa with my phone
When we talk about death rates from storms decades ago, there was no early warning system like there is now, nor flood mapping and building codes and standards. Not satellite images
Nothing here but we were on the southern edge of the storm.We lost power around 4 am.
I had a family member on with a home on the water on Long Island. Yeah, the question was always should they or shouldn't they.Coastal flooding was slightly less than forecast, but still a couple feet in our street. Glad we moved the cars. Didn’t need to, but if the forecast was off in the other direction, we would have been caught.
We are done tonight…at least, until Tuesday…I had a family member on with a home on the water on Long Island. Yeah, the question was always should they or shouldn't they.
Well the one time they only moved one car because they didnt think it was going to be a big deal but did it anyway ... you know what happened to the one they didnt move? Based on your post you know the answer. The water went over the door jams and flooded the interior..
Are you really done with the tide cycles? Meaning its not hanging around as a threat to you?
The Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel is the datum that I prefer.@Astro14
^^ I like that charting I might be leery until the next high tide this evening but have no idea and know nothing about that area, I just checked the winds at Virginia Beach. Glad it worked out for you.
OMG ... I remember the sand bag talk from my brother all the time(same one as the car story), he since moved to the Carolina area... but used to live on the Great South Bay and buy bags of top soil to stack in front of his garage and sliding doors.... . It was a larger type house but built back in the late 50s or early 60s and not that much higher than mean high tide.The Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel is the datum that I prefer.
However, many of my neighbors use the Sewells point station.
Sewells point prediction is more affected by the wind, while the CBBT is not. Flooding on my street is affected by the wind as well, but differently than Sewells Point, so I make my own guesses to adjust for that.
The prediction yesterday was for 4.5 feet at high tide this morning. It was revised down to 4.0 feet last night.
7.0 feet puts it at our garage door, that’s when I start filling the sand bags and getting worried…
Yes I know but that is not what I was referring to. It does not matter where a hurricane is or who it hits or doesn't hit anyone, its about number of named storms and hurricanes.This isn’t the case today but to people in the Northeast it’s not about hurricanes. It’s about Atlantic ocean storms. Northeast storms are rarely hurricane strength.
We lost power around 4 am.
To the best of my knowledge, tropical storms typically are given names, and this was at the high end of tropical storm readingsYes I know but that is not what I was referring to. It does not matter where a hurricane is or who it hits or doesn't hit anyone, its about number of named storms and hurricanes.
There are two agendas driving the enhanced naming from two different sources. One is the insurance industry. They use raw number of named storms and hurricanes to justify raising rates. More named storms and hurricanes, higher profits for them.
The other is the green activists. They use more named storms and hurricanes to try to justify their well known climate agenda. Both have put enormous pressure successfully on NOAA and the NHC to name more storms and name more hurricanes. Marginal storms are very apt to get a name, and hurricanes are likely to "juuuuuust reach" Cat 1 (wink-wink) before landfall somewhere. This is not my opinion, it was told to me by a veteran meteorologist in SE TX.