Originally Posted By: SlipperyPete
Originally Posted By: dnewton3
Nice results, to be sure, Kona.
However, I'd point out that probably any qualified dino could have done that at 10k miles. You're running 2/3 of your miles on the highway; that is easy service. You don't pound this at a track. This car does not see severe service by any means.
Today's engines and lubes are far more capable than folks believe.
Is this engine wearing nicely? Yes.
But so did my wife's 1995 Villager van on a 10k mile OCI, with dino Supertech and a normal Purolator Classic filter ....
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2827445&page=1
Note that I, too, got less than half the wear of "normal" numbers.
Admittedly these are not the same engines. But my point is that most all (not all, but most all) sump loads in a decent engine will see the wear rates drop, even out approaching 15k miles.
Your engine calls for WSS-M2C930-A; there are a lot of dino lubes (Mobil, Pennzoil, Castrol, Valvoline, etc) that meet that spec. And that sump is 8 quarts! That is huge on a "per liter" basis.
Your engine did fine. I don't know what you paid, but presuming a fair "retail" price, your wallet likely took a pounding though.
You go on and on about this because you managed to run ONE 10K OCI on Supertech without blowing up your motor. Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and run a vehicle from new on 10K OCI's with Supertech and see how long the motor lasts. That would be much more in keeping with the standard to which you hold anyone else who draws a conclusion regarding anything on this website.
I am doing that right now, as a matter of fact. I'm actually considering not only another 10k mile OCI to back that former one up, but actually stretching it out to 15k miles. So, yes, I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is. Did you read my UOA and the details surrounding it? I clearly stated in it that I was going to try up to 15k miles. Your taunts are unfounded, sir. Here is what I said in that thread:
Originally Posted By: dnewton3
I'm seriously thinking about going to 15k miles on dino oil here. I'm not just out of break down the myths; I'm going to obliterate them out of the water!
My conclusions are based in facts and data. I see clear evidence that 10k miles is doable in this Mustang's OCIs for far less money with a qualified dino. The Ford spec WSS-M2C930-A is met by many dino fluids. They will do a great job up to 10k miles in this Mustang, and probably a lot further than folks realize.
I see the same evidence in my Villager; I practice what I preach.
Why not look at 2010_FX4's UOAs as well? He's running tests of dino versus PP right now. His results echo my statements; there is no tangible benefit to syns in "normal" applications in healthy equipment.
Seems that you don't like the UOA evidence; can't accept facts? Why not check out SAE article 2007-01-4133 by Ford as well?
And, please read my article on UOA normalcy; sticky at the top of this sub-forum. I clearly show proof from thousands of UOAs in macro-analysis, across a broad variety of engines, that wear rates continue to drop out to 15k miles, in healthy engines.
I most certainly put my money where my mouth is; I am doing an intended 15k miles OCI on our Villager and will be going to 15k miles in my Fusion soon. I am also running multiple-year OCIs with UOA in my Dmax truck and my Kubota tractor. I most certainly am holding myself to the same standard I suggest for others.
Your inference that using ST dino fluid will make a motor "blow up" is plain silly; what proof do you have to substantiate that implication?
In this UOA thread (Mustang) the PU did a good job, but that is more likely due to the OCI duration and the quality of the design and manufacture of the engine; it's not luck. There is a LOT of evidence that dino fluids could do as well (my UOA, 2010_FX4 UOAs, SAE studies, my "normalcy" article). Where's your proof that my unconventional thinking will result in assured destruction of the engine (against your statement of "blowing up" and seeing "how long the motor lasts")? Do you have many thousands of UOAs in your database? Have you purchased and read the SAE article? Do you have links to specific studies that show an engine destroyed by a dino fluid, where a syntheics would have conclusively assured it's continued lifecycle?
I stand by my statements with facts and data. I would be willing to review any concrete proof you have to substantiate your statements that a dino will result in blowing up an engine at "normal" OCI durations, or even past that.