OC1 on Honda FIT - New Filter Fail

[ARCOgraphite]

Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Originally Posted By: steve20
Is there a vehicle you have NOT had a problem with?


Or an oil?
Or a filter?
Or a gas station?
Or a dealer?

This member uses cars as I use toilet paper, and leaves them in about the same condition.
If you cant make an intelligent comment, dont bother posting.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
I would have kept the factory fill in longer but got a bad tank of fuel that loaded the sump with gas.

... not sure how a bad tank of gas dumps raw fuel into the oil sump.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Originally Posted By: vortex9
I had the anti drain back valve fail on an A02 so I stopped using them. For the same price there are so many better built filters.
I wonder if the Honda PCX-004 filter would void the warranty?
How did you find out about the ADBV failure?

 

[ZeeOSix]

You can conduct an ADBV leakdown test yourself with the filter off the car. See how I did it here:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...807#Post2042807

After that finding, cut the filter open to inspect for flaws.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
I would have kept the factory fill in longer but got a bad tank of fuel that loaded the sump with gas.

... not sure how a bad tank of gas dumps raw fuel into the oil sump.
Car was runing very poorly, assumed clogged injector(s). Misfiring and raw fuel past rings when you get a partially clogged injector. ECU detuned engine and Tail pipe became all jet black with carbon and exhaust had heavy sulphur odor noticed when parking.

 

[steve20]

Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Originally Posted By: steve20
Is there a vehicle you have NOT had a problem with?


Or an oil?
Or a filter?
Or a gas station?
Or a dealer?

This member uses cars as I use toilet paper, and leaves them in about the same condition.
If you cant make an intelligent comment, dont bother posting.



Didn't the Ranger truck have a gas station issue too? Whatever happened to the truck?

 

[DuckRyder]

Upon further inspection this
FILTER, OIL (MAHLE TENNEX) 15400-RTA-003 is not actually available, the page on Honda Parts now says Replaced by: 15400-PLM-A01 which is the Filtech filter.
A01 and A02 are interchangeable. I also have never had a problem with the A02's but it would be cool to see this "failed" one dissected.

 

[ltslimjim]

Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
I would have kept the factory fill in longer but got a bad tank of fuel that loaded the sump with gas.

... not sure how a bad tank of gas dumps raw fuel into the oil sump.
Car was runing very poorly, assumed clogged injector(s). Misfiring and raw fuel past rings when you get a partially clogged injector. ECU detuned engine and Tail pipe became all jet black with carbon and exhaust had heavy sulphur odor noticed when parking.


Maybe just some water in the gas...I'd be surprised for a brand new vehicle to get a clogged injector from one tank full of 'bad' gas. Maybe timing was retarded, while running more rich, etc only...

In any event, it makes you wander if the Fit is sensitive with all the talk of valve-train chatter. Could it be filter related?

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: ltslimjim
In any event, it makes you wander if the Fit is sensitive with all the talk of valve-train chatter. Could it be filter related?

Maybe they named it Fit for a reason ...

 

[OVERKILL]

ARCO, this really isn't surprising though. I don't think it is coincidence that you appear to have issues with every single one of your vehicles in some way shape or form. Did you trade the Ranger in on this car?

And definitely want to see pictures of the defective filter. I always post mine, your turn

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
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And definitely want to see pictures of the defective filter. I always post mine, your turn

I posted my last one on the ranger - but didnt see anything and didnt expect to with out flowbenching the unit, and I dont have the time or inclination to cobble together something. The Purolator absolutely fixed the problem on the Honda - no other changes. I am going to perform a ADBV leakdown test on it - but then I may give it to Honda Zone rep to consider. Im tired of these problems with substandard Dealer service parts.If not the parts fault then a mysterious blockage of filter media right after an OC.

 

[Rand]

Always hard to read a thread when half the insults get deleted, not sure who acro was calling a buckoo now...

Mods might want to clean up the quoted posts that are still half there after being deleted.


Since arco hasnt had a good car yet.. he must be killing them with love or something not sure how you can have a bad car 5+ times in a row.

My advise Lease dont buy till you find a good one.. alot cheaper that way.

edit: cleaned up post.

also some honda models run very rich on cold start..
I cant tell you how many accords or civics have black soot on them around here.

 

[webfors]

I say combination of bad gas and awful conditions

I've used purolators on my subaru for years now. I love the 14612.

 

[Doog]

Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
No overthinking if the engine is running like shizznet, buckoo. "It's a Honda Engine" is meaningless drivel. Should I just ignore the racket and keep running with the thing putting out 60 hP and knocking like drunk in lockup?
This is not an engine easy on oil. Recent OUA have shown isssues. Its got a 3.5" stroke and a chain and jam nut valves. It does have moly blasted piston skirts but so does just about everything - incl our subaru. I would have kept the factory fill in longer but got a bad tank of fuel that loaded the sump with gas.


I think you are looking for a problem that really doesn't exist. Unless you ran the engine with no oil there is really nothing you can do to Honda factory fill in 3000 miles to cause it to be bad and require a "cleanup". Not sure about a "sump full of gas" but I don't think you really know anything about cars. Honda makes some of the most durable engines in the world. This is an undisputed fact.

I can say I do feel sorry for the guy at whatever service department you go to.

 

[addyguy]

Arco.....

A lot of your problems you seem to suspect on 'bad gas'....have you tried going to a station much, much further away than your normal ones to see if you can 'fix' the condition?

 

[vortex9]

Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Originally Posted By: vortex9
I had the anti drain back valve fail on an A02 so I stopped using them. For the same price there are so many better built filters.
I wonder if the Honda PCX-004 filter would void the warranty?
How did you find out about the ADBV failure?


First, I noticed my oil light would stay on 1-2 sec longer than usual on start up. I unscrewed the filter and no oil poured out. My filter is mounted horizontally.

 

[Doog]

Originally Posted By: vortex9
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Originally Posted By: vortex9
I had the anti drain back valve fail on an A02 so I stopped using them. For the same price there are so many better built filters.
I wonder if the Honda PCX-004 filter would void the warranty?
How did you find out about the ADBV failure?


First, I noticed my oil light would stay on 1-2 sec longer than usual on start up. I unscrewed the filter and no oil poured out. My filter is mounted horizontally.


When you removed the filter was there any oil in it?

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Originally Posted By: addyguy
Arco.....

A lot of your problems you seem to suspect on 'bad gas'....have you tried going to a station much, much further away than your normal ones to see if you can 'fix' the condition?
being a logic driven person, I did indeed do that. Worked well for a month and then I got the bad tank. I wish these tanks had a bung on them to drain the water out. But I understand why they do not.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Originally Posted By: Doog
Honda makes some of the most durable engines in the world. This is an undisputed fact.

I can say I do feel sorry for the guy at whatever service department you go to.
Oh. That's why the GE8 engine was recall for having the valtrain fall apart. Durable and quality. Honda is absolutely not immune to problems.

 

[afoulk]

Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Originally Posted By: Doog
Honda makes some of the most durable engines in the world. This is an undisputed fact.

I can say I do feel sorry for the guy at whatever service department you go to.
Oh. That's why the GE8 engine was recall for having the valtrain fall apart. Durable and quality. Honda is absolutely not immune to problems.

I don't think any manufacturer is immune to problems these days.