MolaKule
Staff member
There still seems to be some confusion over Non-Detergent Motor oils and Additized Mono Grades so hopefully this will clarify some of the issues.
This has been stated in over 10 different forums and threads and so we need to be specific when discussing this topic.
There are Non-Detergent (ND) Monograde SAE 30 engine oils and there are additized Monograde SAE 30 and higher viscosity grade engine oils
A Non Detergent (ND) Monograde SAE 30 engine oil is rated API SA. The only additive I have found in these oils is an anti-foam agent; no Anti-War (AW), NO Friction Modifiers (FM's), no corrosion inhibitors, and no dispersants.
Oils such as these are Non-Detergent (ND) MonoGrades.
http://www.xcellube.com/default.html?location=http://www.xcellube.com/products/pcmo/premium.html
http://www.warrenoil.com/MSDS-Spec/PDS/Coastal/PDS - Coastal Non-Detergent Motor Oil.pdf
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Super-Tech-Non-Detergent-SAE-30W-Lubricating-Oil-1-Quart/52626201
https://www.amazon.com/Mag-232-SAE30-Non-Detergent-Oil/dp/B007VWYCIG
It is immaterial whether or not a Non-Detergent (ND) Monograde SAE 30 API SA engine oil may be used as a hydraulic oil or compressor oil since it does not contain an additive package to protect modern engines or gearing. In fact, a Non-Detergent SA oil in a hydraulic system could cause accelerated pump and spool wear.
Now MonoGrade oils such as these are MonoGrade SAE 30 oils but do carry LATER API ratings and are Additized with DETERGENTs, AW, Metal Inhibitors, Dispersants, etc., and the labels may also state, "HD, ". depending on the level of HD additives that are contained therein.
https://mag1.com/products/passenger-car-motor-oil/monograde-motor-oil/mag-1-sae-30-motor-oil/
https://www.jbtools.com/pennzoil-55...a3Mfg5wIVdh-tBh1zbgg7EAQYASABEgLMWfD_BwE
Oils such as XCEL (Amalie) have had a number of Class Action Lawsuits brought against the Non-Detergent SAE XX API SA oils because of various allegations such as:
Quote
...class action settlement in the Opalka v. Amalie Oil Company lawsuit. The lawsuit claims that Defendant's XCEL Premium motor oil is considered "obsolete" by the American Petroleum Institute ("API"), in that it is a non-detergent motor oil with an API-SA rating which the Class Representatives allege is unsuitable, harmful, and ineffective as a motor oil for automotive engines manufactured after 1930. The Class Representatives each allege that they were misled by the XCEL Premium label and purchased XCEL Premium because the label caused them to believe it was suitable for use in their modern car engines. They allege the motor oil was worthless to them, and to anyone who purchased it to be used in any automobile manufactured after 1930. The Settlement is limited to XCEL Premium motor oil and does not include any other motor oil....
and they are not the only ones as DG ND Monograde is another oil that has gone through CA lawsuits suits as well.
PQIA has also been involved in warning consumers against using these Obsolete oils as well:
http://www.pqiamerica.com/index4122017.html
Bottom Line: You can help your neighbors and friends by educating them on these dangerous oils that have been marketed to the unsuspecting and uninformed public.
This has been stated in over 10 different forums and threads and so we need to be specific when discussing this topic.
There are Non-Detergent (ND) Monograde SAE 30 engine oils and there are additized Monograde SAE 30 and higher viscosity grade engine oils
A Non Detergent (ND) Monograde SAE 30 engine oil is rated API SA. The only additive I have found in these oils is an anti-foam agent; no Anti-War (AW), NO Friction Modifiers (FM's), no corrosion inhibitors, and no dispersants.
Oils such as these are Non-Detergent (ND) MonoGrades.
http://www.xcellube.com/default.html?location=http://www.xcellube.com/products/pcmo/premium.html
http://www.warrenoil.com/MSDS-Spec/PDS/Coastal/PDS - Coastal Non-Detergent Motor Oil.pdf
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Super-Tech-Non-Detergent-SAE-30W-Lubricating-Oil-1-Quart/52626201
https://www.amazon.com/Mag-232-SAE30-Non-Detergent-Oil/dp/B007VWYCIG
It is immaterial whether or not a Non-Detergent (ND) Monograde SAE 30 API SA engine oil may be used as a hydraulic oil or compressor oil since it does not contain an additive package to protect modern engines or gearing. In fact, a Non-Detergent SA oil in a hydraulic system could cause accelerated pump and spool wear.
Now MonoGrade oils such as these are MonoGrade SAE 30 oils but do carry LATER API ratings and are Additized with DETERGENTs, AW, Metal Inhibitors, Dispersants, etc., and the labels may also state, "HD, ". depending on the level of HD additives that are contained therein.
https://mag1.com/products/passenger-car-motor-oil/monograde-motor-oil/mag-1-sae-30-motor-oil/
https://www.jbtools.com/pennzoil-55...a3Mfg5wIVdh-tBh1zbgg7EAQYASABEgLMWfD_BwE
Oils such as XCEL (Amalie) have had a number of Class Action Lawsuits brought against the Non-Detergent SAE XX API SA oils because of various allegations such as:
Quote
...class action settlement in the Opalka v. Amalie Oil Company lawsuit. The lawsuit claims that Defendant's XCEL Premium motor oil is considered "obsolete" by the American Petroleum Institute ("API"), in that it is a non-detergent motor oil with an API-SA rating which the Class Representatives allege is unsuitable, harmful, and ineffective as a motor oil for automotive engines manufactured after 1930. The Class Representatives each allege that they were misled by the XCEL Premium label and purchased XCEL Premium because the label caused them to believe it was suitable for use in their modern car engines. They allege the motor oil was worthless to them, and to anyone who purchased it to be used in any automobile manufactured after 1930. The Settlement is limited to XCEL Premium motor oil and does not include any other motor oil....
and they are not the only ones as DG ND Monograde is another oil that has gone through CA lawsuits suits as well.
PQIA has also been involved in warning consumers against using these Obsolete oils as well:
http://www.pqiamerica.com/index4122017.html
Bottom Line: You can help your neighbors and friends by educating them on these dangerous oils that have been marketed to the unsuspecting and uninformed public.