Yea, like the GM 4T40E that some people think is "sealed" or "unserviceable" simply based on the fact that it lacks a dipstick?
On second though..maybe it's good that such people with that sort of reasoning ability won't be working on it.
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On second though..maybe it's good that such people with that sort of reasoning ability won't be working on it.
Hey! I'm not a tree hugger and that sounds good to me.
Maybe the original statement of 'not being able to change your own oil', was really you won't NEED to change your oil, [or not as much]. This would be due to projected better oils, and engine technology.
The original statement may have been corrupted, and filtered, by the time we heard it.
The original statement may have been corrupted, and filtered, by the time we heard it.
I deleted my post. I'm not adding more fuel to the rumor mill by responding to speculative ** such as this.
I already see a lot of that when working with youngsters. Often the only car they can afford is 15-20 years old and watching them struggle with even OBD-I is sad. Thinsg were a lots simpler when I was their age. As for the complexity of todays cars all it takes is educating oneself. Keeping up with the technology so to speak. That and few new tools.
BMW'S new cars don't have a dipstick anymore and they did away with drain plug on the differential. They use a cartridge type oil filter and the new cars need a special tool to unscrew the oil filter cap. This, coupled with their love of 15k oci's indicates that they would LOVE to make it mandatory to have the $tealer change your oil (@ $100 per hour). But we really don't have to worry, the oil companies will form a PAC to bribe the right people in government to make sure that the status quo is maintained. My .02.
More fear and new wive's tales.
Along those same lines, I believe these questions need to be asked:
What about DIY gasoline purchases?
Tires?
Brakes?
Will we be able to add air to our own tires?
Will Fix a flat be outlawed?
Where does the insanity end? Aren't plastics made from oil? We shouldn't throw anything plastic away otherwise we'll be contaminating the ground, right? Again, I ask, where does the insanity end??
Along those same lines, I believe these questions need to be asked:
What about DIY gasoline purchases?
Tires?
Brakes?
Will we be able to add air to our own tires?
Will Fix a flat be outlawed?
Where does the insanity end? Aren't plastics made from oil? We shouldn't throw anything plastic away otherwise we'll be contaminating the ground, right? Again, I ask, where does the insanity end??
Who wants to restore much of what's on the road today? So much of it is passionless, cookie-cutter characterless cars that lack depth.
As I heard a comedian say back in 1989...
"I just got done completely restoring my 1988 Yugo..."
Nothing comes up on Google about a San Diego ban, so it appears bogus. That county is concerned about illegal dumping of used oil and the issue of too-frequent oil changes, but there is nothing online on a ban on do-it-yourself (DIY) oil changes in the city or county.
That said, the small Audi A2, which was not sold here, required a mechanic to disassemble the front end to perform such maintenance as changing the spark plugs. It isn't hard to picture the design changing to include the oil filler. And a couple of years ago Volvo displayed a show car, the YCC, which was designed by female engineers and aimed at female buyers. The front end was similarly sealed and would have required a mechanic to disassemble it even for oil and coolant topping and changes. The car had an oil level sensor and the oil was supposed to be changed only every 50,000 km (31,000 miles). I posted about some concerns over this then:
http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=42;t=000078
When R134 air conditioning systems became common in vehicles to replace R12 (Freon), the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) wanted to impose the same licensing and handling restrictions as it had on Freon. Servicing an R134 system would have required using a licensed mechanic with the "proper" equipment. After a petition campaign sponsored by auto parts stores, the EPA backed down. The rumor then was that after banning DIY work on R134 A/C systems, the feds were going to impose licensing requirements on vehicle coolant and oil because of alleged dumping and pollution by DIYers. Oil and antifreeze purchases and changes could only be done by licensed mechanics, again with the "proper" equipment. The EPA backing down on R134 regulation derailed the whole idea. For now.
A ban on DIY oil changes isn't far-fetched. It isn't hard to picture such a ban imposed on new vehicles built after a certain date and then, over time, applied to older vehicles. We should keep our eyes open.
That said, the small Audi A2, which was not sold here, required a mechanic to disassemble the front end to perform such maintenance as changing the spark plugs. It isn't hard to picture the design changing to include the oil filler. And a couple of years ago Volvo displayed a show car, the YCC, which was designed by female engineers and aimed at female buyers. The front end was similarly sealed and would have required a mechanic to disassemble it even for oil and coolant topping and changes. The car had an oil level sensor and the oil was supposed to be changed only every 50,000 km (31,000 miles). I posted about some concerns over this then:
http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=42;t=000078
When R134 air conditioning systems became common in vehicles to replace R12 (Freon), the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) wanted to impose the same licensing and handling restrictions as it had on Freon. Servicing an R134 system would have required using a licensed mechanic with the "proper" equipment. After a petition campaign sponsored by auto parts stores, the EPA backed down. The rumor then was that after banning DIY work on R134 A/C systems, the feds were going to impose licensing requirements on vehicle coolant and oil because of alleged dumping and pollution by DIYers. Oil and antifreeze purchases and changes could only be done by licensed mechanics, again with the "proper" equipment. The EPA backing down on R134 regulation derailed the whole idea. For now.
A ban on DIY oil changes isn't far-fetched. It isn't hard to picture such a ban imposed on new vehicles built after a certain date and then, over time, applied to older vehicles. We should keep our eyes open.
02-03 Maximas require the removal of the intake to change the rear plugs. 2004 on Maximas need the removal of the bumper to change the bulbs in the headlight assembly because of the xenon headlight thefts in the 02 & 03s. Dealers sure see that as a benefit.
I remember the days when 60s and 70s Detroit iron were looked down with disdain (now it's just Pintos, Vegas and Mustang IIs). Just as the baby boom generation has taken it to the cars of their youth, who's to say Gen X, Y, & Z'ers won't be restoring their Scion xBs 30 years from now?
It's a little different now, though. Emissions equipment, chips, air bags, once 8 or ten years passes from the time a vehicle hits the street, you simply won't be able to get this stuff.
Wonder if you could retro-fit a 4 bbl. carb to a formerly fuel-injected engine.
Wonder if you could retro-fit a 4 bbl. carb to a formerly fuel-injected engine.
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I keep mentioning to my buddies that there may be a market to convert modern engines over to simple carburated designs, instead of spending hundreds and maybe thousands of dollars in diagnostics and repair. Maybe that's what the next generation Eastwood or Year One catalogs will offer.
Unfortunately, this is not a rumor! It is actually being considered by the USEPA and is known as the "sealed hood". The owner of the car will no longer be able to open the hood of his vehicle, it will be locked at the factory and only a dealership will have a key. Look at the efforts today that are being done to accomplish that end... the low coolant message, the check engine light, the low oil level message, the change oil soon message, all pop up on a screen in front of you telling you to do something. In the scenario above, the answer would be "go to the dealer". Pretty simple. They KNOW how to dispose of used oil, and what type your car requires, who better to do this kind of work? I don't know where the "three years" part of this came from, maybe THAT part is speculation, but the rest is true. If you want to see it happen quicker, vote for Hillary. As to the dealers not being able to handle the load... **, 7,000,000 illegal aliens need a job, and with oil good for 25,000 miles...what, 6 - 8 oil changes in a vehicle's life? Nothing to it.
oops, I should have said "nonsense" insted of **.
I have changed oil in San diego about 3 times and trans once. I never had any problem recycling at Pep Boys.
I came from Washington state they seem to be more concerned about recycling etc up there than in San Diego.
When I came down here I thought it would much strict than in the Northwest area.
I came from Washington state they seem to be more concerned about recycling etc up there than in San Diego.
When I came down here I thought it would much strict than in the Northwest area.
They just aren't needed, period, on paper at least, as the transmissions/diffs now contain "fill-for-life" capable fluids. But a check/fill plug and pan are still present. Still serviceable, just more difficult.
total bull,
It's not "being considered"...
by who exactly, and where is this proof. It's an impossible system to regulate. It would have to start with new cars only. And put us (the US), into a unique costly condition compared to other non green countries. And put hundreds of thousands of people out of work.
We will have national health care before this ever came to light. Get real.
Too many lobbying efforts to get through.
Ignore the ignorant statements made to start this post.
It's not "being considered"...
by who exactly, and where is this proof. It's an impossible system to regulate. It would have to start with new cars only. And put us (the US), into a unique costly condition compared to other non green countries. And put hundreds of thousands of people out of work.
We will have national health care before this ever came to light. Get real.
Too many lobbying efforts to get through.
Ignore the ignorant statements made to start this post.
I agree with oilboy... GO COUGS!
Even CA has a lot to learn from the 'Greeners' up in the Great Northwest.
DIY oil changes are banned in SD? Never heard of it. If so, why are there at least 25 places to recycle oil within 10 miles of my house?
Even CA has a lot to learn from the 'Greeners' up in the Great Northwest.
DIY oil changes are banned in SD? Never heard of it. If so, why are there at least 25 places to recycle oil within 10 miles of my house?
Its amazing how these rumors get started. One mechanic, somewhere, maybe a "lube-tech", maybe smoking too much silly stick, makes this wild statement and it gets repeated. The aftermarket service industry is huge in this country, plus there's Mag-Moss. This will not happen in three years or even in 20 years.
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