New Shop Oil

[userfriendly]

For some of us 4 months is 16K km or 10k miles, which ever comes 1st, so mono-grades are a viable summertime option.
The 97% of Canadians that don't live in Saskatchewan, depending on where they live, may never need a multi-grade engine oil.

 

[Garak]

Never bothered with that in fleet use, though, either, when it would have been viable. There was no need to take the corresponding fuel economy hit, particularly with no cost benefit to the monograde. The taxis went up to a million kilometres on ordinary 10w-30 of the day, with slightly reduced HTHS, and there was no incentive to change that. If I put monograde in one of the taxis, my dad would have cracked me over the head with the funnel.

Of course, I also prefer to use the same thing year round, without seasonal change, considering that went obsolete decades ago.

 

[4ever4d]

Originally Posted By: BrocLuno
Red91, just carry on. The "kids" that don't understand 30 HD, don't understand ... It's not their fault, they just never looked at it as an alternative to multi-grades. If you get it at a good price, it'll do the job just fine.

Cars, trucks and tractors started and ran on SAE 30 for 75 years before multi's became the norm. They started in snow storms and all sorts of conditions on 6 volt batteries ...

Rule 1 - some oil is better than no oil - you got that covered

Rule 2 - better oil is better. OK, if any of the vehicles you work on say they can use an xW-30, that means they want a 30 at op temp - you got that covered. It's much better than some super discount 5W-30 that is actually a 5 grade with a ton of VII's

Rule 3 - loose engines like thicker oil. OK, this will be nice and thick at start-up, so they should be quiet, and that'll mean happier customers

If the owners or operators of these vehicles care at all about the longevity of their mounts, see if they'll spring for a can of BG 109 with the change ... If they have been abusing them and running low on oil, they could have cheap oil varnish baked on here and there. A can of BG 109 will free the rings and any varnished lifter bores so they may run better until next change

Exactly!

 

[Linctex]

Originally Posted By: BrocLuno

Cars, trucks and tractors started and ran on SAE 30 for 75 years before multi's became the norm. They started in snow storms and all sorts of conditions on 6 volt batteries ...


You just opened a huge can of memories... My Childhood was in North Dakota, and we put 30 in almost everything.

 

[Linctex]

Originally Posted By: car51
If I was stupid enough to put SAE 30 in one of our 2500 Chevy trucks, I'd be fired on the spot.


Adam, get in touch with "Fly Navy P3".

He's had PennzYB 30 in his girlfriend's Lexus for 5,500 miles.

I consider him to be quite intelligent.

 

[Linctex]

If 30 is good enough for a 2004 Lexus ES330 ....

I think a Chebby 2500 might probably be able to handle it.


https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4395731/
04 Lexus ES330 PUP 10333mi TBN/TAN/Particle count

Originally Posted By: FlyNavyP3

Current fill is PYB SAE 30 and a Rock Auto Ultra Power filter that appears to be a copy of a DENSO or Toyota filter, current run will be in the car for 5,600 ish with another sample after.

 

[BrocLuno]

Originally Posted By: car51
... If I was stupid enough to put SAE 30 in one of our 2500 Chevy trucks, I'd be fired on the spot. I have used 10w30 and continue to use 5w30 also in my car.


If you had not done your homework and could not make the case, yeah you'd get fired.

If you could make the case and you got fired, your boss was a bad person, and not to bright ...

The only thing the xW part of oil does is help on cold starts in winter. 5W-30 is still supposed to be 30 at Op Temp ... If you don't need the xW part, why get it ...

 

[Virtus_Probi]

Originally Posted By: OVERKILL

One of mine

Kinematic Viscosity @ 100°C, cSt (ASTM D-445). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 11.3
Kinematic Viscosity @ 40°C, cSt (ASTM D-445). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 73.5
Viscosity Index (ASTM D-2270). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 146
Cold Crank Simulator Apparent Viscosity @ -25°C, cP (ASTM D-5293). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5360
Pour Point °C (°F) (ASTM D-97). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . -37 (-35)
Flash Point °C (°F) (ASTM D-92) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 226 (439)
Fire Point °C (°F) (ASTM D-92) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 250 (482)
NOACK Volatility, % weight loss (g/100g) (ASTM D-5800). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4.2
High-Temperature/High-Shear Viscosity @150°C, 1.4 x 106 s-1, cP (ASTM D-5481). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.6


That oil meets the CCS spec for 10W30 quite handily...

 

[53' Stude]

Originally Posted By: Linctex
Originally Posted By: car51
If I was stupid enough to put SAE 30 in one of our 2500 Chevy trucks, I'd be fired on the spot.


Adam, get in touch with "Fly Navy P3".

He's had PennzYB 30 in his girlfriend's Lexus for 5,500 miles.

I consider him to be quite intelligent.


Linctex: yes, I sent him some FRAM ULTRA filters. He is in Florida which is very hot and humid

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: Virtus_Probi
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL

One of mine

Kinematic Viscosity @ 100°C, cSt (ASTM D-445). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 11.3
Kinematic Viscosity @ 40°C, cSt (ASTM D-445). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 73.5
Viscosity Index (ASTM D-2270). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 146
Cold Crank Simulator Apparent Viscosity @ -25°C, cP (ASTM D-5293). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5360
Pour Point °C (°F) (ASTM D-97). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . -37 (-35)
Flash Point °C (°F) (ASTM D-92) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 226 (439)
Fire Point °C (°F) (ASTM D-92) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 250 (482)
NOACK Volatility, % weight loss (g/100g) (ASTM D-5800). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4.2
High-Temperature/High-Shear Viscosity @150°C, 1.4 x 106 s-1, cP (ASTM D-5481). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.6


That oil meets the CCS spec for 10W30 quite handily...


Sure does

And that's why the manufacturer has chosen to dual-label it. It has no VII's, so it carries both the SAE 30 and 10w-30 labels.

 

[Linctex]

Originally Posted By: car51

Linctex: yes, I sent him some FRAM ULTRA filters. He is in Florida which is very hot and humid


He just posted his UOA on 30 Pennz YB in the Lexus:

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4464853/04_Lexus_ES330_PYB_SAE_30_5,51

 

[SR5]

Originally Posted By: Red91
a shop that uses an API SN SAE 30 oil in classic cars, beaters, and work vehicles


I wish I had a shop like that around me.

I've never seen a modern API SN SAE 30 in any of the shops or auto-stores here. I would happily run a SAE 30 year round in my car, just can't find modern versions at a reasonable price. I can find walls full of 20W50 for the thickies and 15W40 for the thinnies.

 

[Red91]

What about the Chief oil Shannow has posted about? Isn't it available in a 30 and decently priced?

 

[SR5]

Yeah I can get a Chief SAE 30 (API SF) or a Penrite Mono Truck SAE 30 (API SG) but none are API SN.

But on second thoughts maybe I don't want an SN SAE 30, as it may only be that it has ILSAC levels of zinc (~ 800 ppm) and not much else different. The Penrite has 1220 ppm Zinc and a 9.4 TBN. That should go the distance.

 

[fdcg27]

You're thinking outside of the box.
Good for you!
No reason I can see not to use an SAE 30 during the warmer months and there may be advantages in reduced temporary and permanent shear as well as lower NOACK. Fuel economy? Probably no measurable difference real world although there would be EPA.
FlyNavyP3 just posted a very nice UOA from a Camry/Lexus V-6 using PYB SAE 30 and a cheapo oil filter. It showed lower particle counts per mile run than did another UOA of the same engine using PUP 5W-30 and an Ultra.
Food for thought.
Just when we think we have this oil and filter thing nailed down, somebody comes along and knocks our conceptions out of the box.
Good to see at least a couple of members posting about something more than the wonders of the 0W-20 grade.

 

[userfriendly]

Mobil discontinued their 1300 series mono-grades a few months ago. Maybe now they will package their 1600s in less than drum for the masses.

 

[SilverFusion2010]

If I could find a full syn SAE 30 api SN I'd try it. It hasn't gotten below 75 in a couple months here

 

[BrocLuno]

Originally Posted By: userfriendly
Mobil discontinued their 1300 series mono-grades a few months ago. Maybe now they will package their 1600s in less than drum for the masses.


That would be very nice

 

[Red91]

If this year's winter is anything like last year's, at least in Alabama, we won't need a multigrade. It may have dipped into the teens a few days last winter. The Roadmaster cranked over fine with 30 in the sump.

I appreciate your positive feedback. Now you just need to switch your whole fleet over to SAE 30 and you'll be on the level.

 

[Red91]

I don't know if I'd be too concerned over those not being API SN. A lot of fleet/diesel monogrades aren't tested for SN because the demographic for such oil isn't necessarily inclusive of passenger cars. I imagine if Chevron wanted to they could pass Delo 400 30 as SN, but it isn't necessary.