New Buick Encore

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Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Isn't Buick the biggest, or one of the biggest, selling nameplates in China? I think Buick has a big following over there, so it would make natural sense to produce it close to the intended audience. If they offer it for sale here, I would hope they would concurrently assemble it somewhere in North America.


Yes, I wish that they would built it over HERE, and then EXPORT it for sale in China, but of course the Sino government would NEVER allow that to happen (as we have had done to U.S., unfettered, for the past 40 or so years, in the name of 'principles').
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They're selling it here to have the necessary "street cred" in China. "Guys, I just scored the USDM headlights and bumper for my Encore!"
 
Originally Posted By: rjundi
For the Made in USA nuts:

Manufacturing locations:

Bupyeong, South Korea (for North America)


Not happy.
 
The blog post from Edmund's Inside Line about the Encore has some really interesting quotes.

http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline...eiled.html#more

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Like most of the cars GM builds and sells in China, the Encore is engineered in South Korea, and the plant in Bupyeong will handle assembly for the U.S., though GM President Mark Reuss was careful to leave the door open for potential North American assembly when we spoke to him today. However, he closed the door to the possibility of badge engineering.

"We're not doing Chevrolets off this platform," he said. "The last thing we want to do is put a Chevrolet alongside this and take Equinox sales away."


Possible N. American production if it sells well, but "no way t" to brand engineering? Smart. GM is learning.

As far as size goes, it about the same as the BMW X1 and Audi Q3, but...

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And while the Audi Q3 and BMW X1 (which have yet to be launched in the U.S.) look like obvious Encore rivals, Reuss says they're not direct targets.

"It's not a performance entry, it's not an Audi entry.... It's really carving out a Buick definition of size and luxury in this space," he said.


How many cars have been launched from any number of automakers stating something to the effect that "our comparison in development was the BMW 3 series"? Of course, it's never close to a 3 series.

It's refreshing to hear someone say, "No, it's not designed to compete with BMW or an Audi," instead of playing lip service to it's customers.
About the 1.4L turbo:

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Notably, the Encore is the first GM vehicle to combine the 1.4-liter turbo with active noise-cancellation technology. Microphones in the car pick up assorted engine noises, which then get processed and mixed with counteracting noise that plays through the speakers. Federico tells us this engine (which in our experience, is on the shrill side) couldn't have otherwise been used in a Buick.

"With active noise control, we can bring this engine into a Buick," he said.


Not a new technology for GM, but it gives a bit of insight that the product development teams at Buick take what they market seriously. Without ANC, the 1.4L can't be in a Buick? I guess that explains why it's not an option for the Verano, which shares a platform with the Cruze.

GM is sticking to it's guns and putting out product developed to some type of standard, instead of just pushing out whatever they think will sell. This is good.
 
Spot on:
Originally Posted By: sciphi
They're selling it here to have the necessary "street cred" in China. "Guys, I just scored the USDM headlights and bumper for my Encore!"
 
I don't mind the 1.4's engine note from inside the car. Outside the car is another story. It sounds refined from inside, and a bucket of bolts from outside. This engine does deliver power smoothly when needed, and the turbo lag won't be noticed when routed through the 6T40. Like the Cruze, I bet most folks won't know their Encore is turbocharged.
 
Well, the 1.4L I wouldn't call exactly refined, compared to the 2.4L Ecotec in my grandmothers malibu, or the 3.0L V6 in the nox. But it is more refined than the 3.0L Duratec in my grandfathers escape. But from the outside it definitely doesn't sound good at all.
 
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Well, the 1.4L I wouldn't call exactly refined, compared to the 2.4L Ecotec in my grandmothers malibu, or the 3.0L V6 in the nox. But it is more refined than the 3.0L Duratec in my grandfathers escape. But from the outside it definitely doesn't sound good at all.


Oh, please explain this comment.......
 
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Well, the 1.4L I wouldn't call exactly refined, compared to the 2.4L Ecotec in my grandmothers malibu, or the 3.0L V6 in the nox. But it is more refined than the 3.0L Duratec in my grandfathers escape. But from the outside it definitely doesn't sound good at all.


Oh, please explain this comment.......


Not my proudest moment in grammar. The 1.4L to me sounds a little coarse under acceleration. The 2.0L in my focus was a much more refined, smooth powerplant than this one. It also comes nowhere close to the refinement to GMs on 2.4L, and 3.0L engines.
 
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Well, the 1.4L I wouldn't call exactly refined, compared to the 2.4L Ecotec in my grandmothers malibu, or the 3.0L V6 in the nox. But it is more refined than the 3.0L Duratec in my grandfathers escape. But from the outside it definitely doesn't sound good at all.


Oh, please explain this comment.......


Not my proudest moment in grammar. The 1.4L to me sounds a little coarse under acceleration. The 2.0L in my focus was a much more refined, smooth powerplant than this one. It also comes nowhere close to the refinement to GMs on 2.4L, and 3.0L engines.


Right. Now where does the Escape fit in here? LOL!
 
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Well, the 1.4L I wouldn't call exactly refined, compared to the 2.4L Ecotec in my grandmothers malibu, or the 3.0L V6 in the nox. But it is more refined than the 3.0L Duratec in my grandfathers escape. But from the outside it definitely doesn't sound good at all.


Oh, please explain this comment.......


Not my proudest moment in grammar. The 1.4L to me sounds a little coarse under acceleration. The 2.0L in my focus was a much more refined, smooth powerplant than this one. It also comes nowhere close to the refinement to GMs on 2.4L, and 3.0L engines.


Right. Now where does the Escape fit in here? LOL!


I was using it as a comparison. the 3.0L Duratec V6 is far less refined (at least in the 2010 escape) in terms of vibration, smoothness, and quality of sound.
 
Originally Posted By: Nick R


I was using it as a comparison. the 3.0L Duratec V6 is far less refined (at least in the 2010 escape) in terms of vibration, smoothness, and quality of sound.


"Far less refined" is a pretty strong statement. I mean, maybe if it idled like a cammed El Camino we could say it was "far less refined", but vibration and smoothness depend on how well the engine is dampened to the chassis, and sound, well, that's dependant upon intake tract and exhaust as far as it being audible for the most part.

I just have a hard time with an i-4 anything being called "more refined" than a similarly equipped V6. That is not a knock at the i4, they simply aren't as naturally smooth as a V6 or V8 in my experience, let alone a naturally balanced engine like an i6.

The Cruze's 1.4 also doesn't use a balance shaft, so I'm really having a hard time accepting this at face value.

I'm sure GM did a fantastic job dampening the engine through the mount points, so that is probably why you think it is so smooth.

No question that the 3.0L in the Equinox is smooth.
 
Most 4-cylinder engines under about 2.0L don't have balance shafts. Above that displacement level, they're almost necessary, and below that, they become less so, especially as you continue to shrink the displacement.

I don't disagree with Nick that the Duratec in an Escape sounds less than "refined". A co-worker has a pretty recent Escape...it might be an '09. You don't feel the engine hardly at all, but it sounds coarse and raucous, very mechanical. It's probably a lack of sound-deadening material in the vehicle itself.

I also agree with Sciphi: the Cruze engine sounds like it's lubricated by marbles from the outside. There's a Cruze Eco that parks in our parking lot at work. I don't know who owns it, but they were leaving yesterday as I was walking out of the building and there was a lot of chatter from the engine.
 
It's something about that engine. Other Ecotecs do not sound that harsh. The few times I've had the engine running while standing outside the car, what gets me is how coarse the engine sounds from the outside. My friend's Cobalt with the 2.2 didn't sound anything like that at warm idle. Maybe due to having a balance shaft?
 
Originally Posted By: IndyIan
I guess the Juke is selling well? I don't understand why people want a tippy AWD Yaris sized vehicle?
I wouldn't mind one if they just made them about 1.5 feet longer so you can fit something behind the back seats. My Tracker has 1/3 more cargo space and its not big enough for a family of 4...


I think Buick is touted as Entry luxury and positioning this vehicle as such. This will appeal to empty nesters likely 50+ not family's.
 
I dunno, but I'll tell you what the 1.4L sounds like from the outside: The old 2.2L OHV. I'm not kidding, at idle, it sounds like the old 2.2L in my cavalier. It doesn't sound anything like it on the inside on the move, but the outside idle isn't very nice. There is sound deadening material on the hood, too.
 
Originally Posted By: Nick R
I dunno, but I'll tell you what the 1.4L sounds like from the outside: The old 2.2L OHV. I'm not kidding, at idle, it sounds like the old 2.2L in my cavalier. It doesn't sound anything like it on the inside on the move, but the outside idle isn't very nice. There is sound deadening material on the hood, too.



What the heck caused that noise on the old Cavaliers anyway? My 85 cavalier wagon made that noise too. Was it timing chain issues?
 
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Does the 1.8L sound as harsh? Maybe there is a lot of turbo noise? Or maybe there's just no sound-deadening material on the hood?


Even my fuel economy special Cruze has the underhood sound-deadening material. GM did an amazing job with covering up turbo noise in the cabin. Before I took off the resonators ahead of the airbox, there was zero turbo noise. Even now, I can only hear the turbo in the cabin at lower RPM/high boost, such as when climbing a hill. There's no exhaust noise, and the engine is not heard at all in the cabin under 2000 RPM. Most of what I can hear from inside the cabin at higher RPM is reminiscent of Honda's old VTEC systems where the cams shifted from normal to power mode. It makes some nice noises in the cabin. Outside, as you've heard, is a different story. GM paid a lot of attention to interior noise tuning, and it's evident.

From what I've read, the 1.8 is nowhere near as aurally refined as the 1.4 is in the cabin. It might be a bit more refined outside. I wouldn't know, however.
 
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