I thought it was generally agreed that Group 1 conventional and Group 5 Ester base stocks have the best cleaning properties.
Whereas Group 3 and PAO are the worst.
Whereas Group 3 and PAO are the worst.
Mobil ow40,10w30HM or EP which cleans best!?
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Group 1 is rare in the US but there are still loads of Group 1 conventional oils being sold across the world.
Here in Spain i can still easily get Group 1 15W40 HDEOs, old SL/ CI-4 / E7 spec.
One i've used and recommended to friends is Shell Rimula R4X.
From my experiencia it cleans rather well doing short oci's.
So would me using a 0w40 in a 10w 30 application be okay? Might not lubricate or go through engine correctly? I'm planning on running Mobil 10w30 extended. Guard oil change coming soon . It advertised clean up existing sludge in one oil change. Most other commercial oils don't or do not advertise that,just existing deposits sludge not old stuff.
I think OVERKILL and others have already mentioned M1 0w40. Are you waiting on a invitation or….
I’m using some M1 0w40 in a 09’ Focus with 4cyl and no issues. Please, please don’t overthink this.
Your engine will not act differently using M1 0w40 compared to 10w30, unless the temperature is significantly below zero F at startup.
Agree. Instead of guessing try HPL EC or oils.
Something as simple as increased viscosity can reduce consumption.
Completely different than what ANs & polar esters will accomplish.
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I didnt increase viscosity. It specs 5w30
Take a look at the viscosities of PP 5w30 and Pennz Euro L 5w30. They’re both 5w30s, but the Euro L is nearly 20% more viscous at 100*C. That’s not inconsequential; maybe the two oils you used are similar to this example.
M1 AP is 11.7@100cTake a look at the viscosities of PP 5w30 and Pennz Euro L 5w30. They’re both 5w30s, but the Euro L is nearly 20% more viscous at 100*C. That’s not inconsequential; maybe the two oils you used are similar to this example.
M1 triple action is 10.8@100c
M1 ep triple action+ is 10.15@100c
Too bad you don’t know the viscosities of the base oils, which would also give you an idea of how much VII is in each one.
Serious question, what do you think this will accomplish other than burning money at an even faster rate? If the oil that’s used doesn’t have alkylated napthalenes and/or polar esters, changing the oil more frequently isn’t going to accomplish anything other than lightening your wallet in a more-rapid fashion.
That would be cool to know! I believe the new triple action formula oils use a good chunk of ANs
Gas chromatography can easily see and measure ANs when properly run and interpreted. It can be expensive however. Based on some GC graphs I have seen from ASTM D6417 for Simulated Distillation, which is an optional test for volatility in GF-6, this method should show AN, as well as PAO and some esters. Quantifying these components could be delicate but can be reasonably estimated if one has the GC graph generated by the test.
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